i know how you feel, that's one of the things that got me sold on ghold. (yes, i believe gliscor and gholdengo are both individually banworthy. yes, we exist.) seems that weak arguments from one's own side might be a better opinion-changer than strong arguments from the opposing side. i have to wonder if some of the more toxic users are secretly trying to turn people away from the arguments they seem to support…
is banworthy as is, just the presence of dengo gives the illusion of it being broken.
if the gliscor user positioned and played aggresively enough.), and has great bulk in addition to a variety of support options. Not just that, it has serviceable attacking stats and a fast speed tier as a defensive mon.
getting trolled hard here)
's supect). But for now, im leaning to DNB. Because just like moon, i feel like this mon is overperforming due to the metagame conditions in addition to already being excellent on many teams. The mon itself isnt broken by any means, the meta shaping around it is. But hey, you never know until you try it. So ill make a more concrete post later on (probably).For what it's worth, Finchinator has stated many times that players should vote ban on things that are a problem in current metagame conditions as that's what suspect tests are about.Ill go into depth of what i'll learn from using/facing gliscor after i attempt to complete my suspect run (and hopefully not fail miserably like when i did
My bad, i haven't really gotten into suspects as much so I'm still pretty new to this stuff. I'll come back with more concrete reasoning after I've attempted my run, maybe even have a change of mind.
What other metagame do w have? What other teams do we have? This suspect is the current metagame and odds are a lot of things will be looked into before DLC2. The premise of any suspect takes place in the current metagame it is suspected into.
well, first off, moon was the only one of those who was suspect-worthy. all the others were quickban-worthy (yes, pao got a suspect the first time around, but that thing was broken as shit and definitely worthy of a qb. and then it was a qb after home)
I was meming but ok
there are plenty of real, logical, and coherent arguments for banning gliscor in this thread—in fact, they significantly outnumber the dnb arguments
you're accusing everyone on the ban side of bias and trolling, i think that's worth a haha react. even i don't go that bad-faith
I don't even think Scor should be banned but you have to have just not read any of the thread at all if you think it's all personal opinion - there are real coherent arguments either way as to whether it should be banned or not, you're being purposefully obtuse.
No, your first post is inflammatory and that's what makes you look like an imbecile - it's fucking weird to insinuate as you did.
good call, lets unban an even more broken pokemon to deal with this one broken pokemon when we could simply ban the latter and be done with it all. great idea!
In defense of the specifically quoted poster, they did say it was a joke in a reply soon after one response and well before this one.
And posts like this are similarly inflammatory from the other side. Even if what is said is the case, this feels like Ad Hom and doesn't do anything to disprove the position being accused.
i genuinely did not see this and will apologize for my harshness in response to a joke, but i have seen anti-ban arguments legitimately advocate for unbanning pokemon such as chien-pao and urshifu in the recent past so i was quite reprehensive upon seeing that at first. but i was wrong on that and will apologize for my mistake.
because all the checks and counters mentioned all either risk getting horribly crippled switching into it, arent actually long-term checks to gliscor, can easily be taken advantage of (by either gliscor itself or one of its teammates) or are just unviable in OU. the exception to all of this is gliscor itself and having yourself be your own best counter is obscene.
Pikalytics options for Smogon formats pull from smogon.com/stats at the highest Glicko option for each format.
thing is, though, gliscor got very high votes on the survey from the qualified side. 3.99 is almost as much as firepon's 4.02, far more than gambit ever scored from qualified players on a survey. the support for action was so high that it triggered an immediate council vote, which is how we got this suspect in the first place. what this says to me is that the prevailing opinion among the people who are most likely to get reqs is that gliscor should go, which means that it's very likely that gliscor will go. also, the gambit suspect was marred by a group of people who wanted a tera suspect first and voted dnb because of it even though they believed gambit banworthy, but now that it's been stated in no uncertain terms that a tera suspect won't happen until dlc2, that group knows that voting that way won't accomplish anything
