I read every post here, okay, i played more games in this meta than anybody else, ive lost to kingambit many times and ive won with it many times, and i want to give my reasoning as to why i think gambit should not be banned and why i am voting do not ban:
- The first reason is its speed, it needs to click sucker punch to beat faster powerful mons like enamorus and iron valiant, and people will argue against this and say it will tera and blow past these, but keep in mind if it teras it gains a new weakness, tera fire, it loses to tusk eq and lando eq, tera flying, it loses to ice shard band bax or subdd bax, tera dark, loses to valiant and enamorus(with sub), kingambit is very slow and comes with a penalty depending on the set, if it runs sd low kick, u know it cannot touch valiant, it runs sd iron head, u know it cannot beat other lowkick gambits, and even other sd gambits, if it runs 4 attacks, u know its not sd and great tusk walls, zamazenta with irondefense will also wall, its why we kept zamazenta remember?
- The second reason is it has loads of counterplay:
1. Utility moves like encore, wisp
2. Irondef fast corv
3. Bulk up tusk, and even regular tusk they run spinner for tera flying
4. Iron valiant with encore , sometimes beats it without
5. Sub enamorus
6. Flame body wisp heatran
7. Encore scream tail
8. Sub walking wake in sun/outside sun with tera
9. Iron defense zamazenta
10. Helm defensive lando with rock move
11. Wisp moltres
12. Low kick meowscarada/gambit itself
13. Sub iron moth
14. Tera fighting zapdos
15. Wisp cinderace
16. Encore dragonite
17. Specs enamorus tera fairy moonblast , therian in the trickroom tanks the sucker at +2 fallen 5
18. Hisui lilligant(which has a huge niche outside just checkin gambit)
19. Breloom with spore
20. Tera dondozo, curse without tera can also beat it, its just people choose to not run curse.
Some people will say some of these wont check it or give me calcs but if played well they will, also each of these have other niches outside checking gambit so its good for other stuff, its like when people said to use cloak to check garganacl, argue against that if ur saying these are used specifically to check kingambit. Also some people will say these include tera to check it, but they say gambit will tera too, so using tera to check a tera'd pokemon is a valid argument.
- The third reason is a Double Standard:
People say gambit forces u to put a counter or check for it, but that is not enough to warrant a ban, if you are using that faulty logic, you would ban baxcalibur, garganacl, iron valiant, enamorus oh god especially enamorus, gholdengo, great tusk, iron moth, sneasler, zapdos, samurott hisui or ceaseless edge, walking wake, dragapult, dragonite, slowking galar(i see no one mentioning this thing made alola muk get usage), see how many pokemon need counterplay? Needing counter-play isnt sufficient and that argument should be discarded immediately.
- My fourth reason is gonna be the controversial one and people are gonna try to just lump it into the broken checks broken argument and disregard it, so READ IT FIRST BEFORE U JUST LABEL IT:
Its not broken checks broken at all, by that logic , volcarona would be broken in ss without heatran, and heatran isnt broken, same with magearna for lele in 7, its not that its keeping ONE thing from coming off the hinges, it can potentially break HALF the ENTIRE tier if it goes, and you not gonna sit here and say half the tier should be looked into if that happens thats false, ignorant and illogical and i will disregard that immediately, gholdengo, baxcalibur, iron valiant, dragapult, enamorus(already broken tbh but only cuz of volcarona ban), garganacl(oh my god this thing will become insane), ting lu, samurott hisui, meowscarada(yes i know people will say this is gonna blow up because gambit was one of its main checks), roaring moon, sneasler(with tera), CRESSELIA, mew, all stored power mons, and dare i say even rain will get better because gambit sucker was one of the biggest stops to rain, basculegion will be unhinged. Obviously with the time window finch has he will NOT have time to look into ALL of these and if kingambit does get banned he would eventually realise it was a mistake half way through.
- My fifth reason is its a nice staple on balance and defensive teams, which is underexplored, its easy to fit, role compression, a steel type, a ghost resist with priority, that is huge in a meta like this to keep it healthy, defensive teams benefit, offensive teams benefit, everybody wins here, and its a nice breaker to have on different turn managing playstyles, rain u can use tera water, sun tera fire, grassy terrain tera grass, balance tera dark or fighting, even tera ice in snow which i have yet to test since its underexplored, it can make each of these playstyles that much more viable in this meta and any pokemon that can make underrated or almost unviable playstyles more viable is a healthy presence in my eyes. Yes it hits hard and can change its type but thats all it has, so does bax but bax is faster, people say use balloon dengo to check bax, why cant we slap a tusk or an encore valiant to check gambit then.
- My sixth reason is the entire meta has adapted against it right now, stuff like tera fairy focus blast dengo , encore valiant, sneasler, tusk, moltres, are common now,
And they have been proven to have other niches outside checking gambit , moltres checks fairies like enamorus and valiant, tusk is a knocker, rocker and spinner that can beat dengo, ting lu which is rare, valiant needs no explanation as to why its useful outside of gambit it checks everything. Also arguments about kingambit being centralising can be proven invalid because great tusk has something like 60% usage and its more centralising than gambit will ever be, but does that mean we would ban tusk? I really think not. We adapted to walking wake nicely , scream tail and other wake checks were proven to be amazing, and it looks like the gambit checks prove the same and i know people will say "with the right tera" kingambit can beat these checks BUT THATS THE KEY, it needs the right tera and the odds of that are 1 in 18 because u can tera into any type, we account for every tera, and if it does have the right tera, it gains a new weakness, so something else on your team would usually be able to revenge it and if not the odds of that happening are like 10% because usually a good team would have a revenge killer for all tera types.
My final reason is it has good utility, as common as it is, its under explored, if ur team has no rocker it can serve as a rocker, it can run taunt, twave, it can be used as a good utility mon, people just look past that and prefer to make it a "sweeper" but thats not better in every instance, on fatter builds defensive gambit has a niche, no one cares to explore it, speaking of which nobody cares to explore more options in this meta, imma go ahead and shut down something someone said about teams being trademarked , i suggest u dont go there because vert and i would own every team and comp, we tried everything and we still innovating and exploring, im about to build with another nu mon, lmao, but yeah kingambit is a nice utility mon and can be used defensively, another reason its healthy to keep.
thanks for everyone who took the time to read my reasoning this is my stance on kingambit and i will be voting
do not ban , this is the first and last time ill be checking or posting in this thread just wanted to give my honest thoughts and opinions that i share with fellow friends and pro dnb users
sufys12 Vert and
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