Yeah, but bm doesn't need screens, snow defense boost, loaded dice, and a buff from the DLC to be broken, but bax does. Bax would be broken whether tera is allowed or not, but since tera is allowed, bm is also broken since it can just flip it's weaknesses on it's head. Tera isn't really relevant right now because this isn't a tera suspect, this is a bm suspect and since tera is allowed, then it shouldn't really matter whether something needs tera or not to be broken because that threat can use tera if it wants to and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Tera is more like a nerf than a buff, this is also pretty weird philosophy for suspects, something that everyone can use is not strictly fair everytime.
have you actually used bloodmoon? a lot of the time it doesn't have to tera at all, you just get it in and it eats whatever your opponent is frantically switching to in an attempt to stop the calm mind. bloodmoon still has all the elements to be broken in a non-tera meta
So the solution is to leave the broken mon in the tier then, because we'll surely be dealing with Tera later and that'll make BM fine when we get round to that, or am I missing something in this point? It's not just that a Tera ban is not something everyone wants (and has a good chance of not going through), but wouldn't it be better to ban the broken mon now and return it to the tier later if Tera was dealt with, instead of having a worse metagame cus "it's Tera's fault so don't ban it"?
don’t forget the gterrain with the free boost to its def to make it even more unkillable while setting up, absurd mon
Speaking as someone involved in the legal profession, precedent doesn't really apply in the way it was being proposed, either. Stare decisis, the principle that tells courts to follow their prior holdings, has a narrow scope, and requires that you actually be able to point to the previously applied logic to use as precedent. Smogon is obviously not a court or legal system, but I'd still like to explain why precedent should not weigh on suspect decisions. When a court in the US makes a decision, it is bound to first reference its previous decisions where similarities in the circumstances actually justify that comparison. In giving precedential weight to a decision, a court should be able to analogize what makes the previous decision similar enough to the current one to apply its holdings.
On an unrelated note, this argument is kind of pointless. Consider the actual scope of the suspect. The question is not "Is Ursaluna, or terastalization, or Kingambit, or webs, or aurora veil broken?" The question is "is Ursaluna broken?" Take the meta as it is and answer the simple question. If you believe other matters are at issue, then propose them to be considered after the suspect ends. As many others have said before, there is no reason suspect votes can't be undone in light of later decisions that shift the meta in such a way that the formerly banned mon is now fair.
Yup, the letter just fits so nicely. Bad moon, troubles, earthquakes and lighting as STABs, almost impossible to play around or will kill you, the surprise hyper voice and even the fact it only has one eye. It even talks about Manaphy's hydro pumps and the ridiculous power weather HO can have in OU.
No, shouldn't be banned.
To conclude this, you'd have to have a metagame where Ursaluna cannot terastalize as a reference point. You don't have one, so as it stands, there is no conceivable way you could prove with the level of confidence you have that terastalization is at fault, and all of Ursaluna's power comes from without. You are making an assumption (terastalization is broken) to support an assumption (therefore, Ursaluna without terastalization is not broken).
oh, is that it? all right then, why not unban palafin, since some might argue that its power comes from the ability to terastallize too? and while we're at it, let's unban flutter mane! its power comes from the ability to hold items and that isn't exclusive to it, so why are we keeping this perfectly good and balanced pokemon out of the tier? hell, let's unban calyrex-shadow because its power comes from the ability to use special attacks! that's not exclusive to it, so it must mean that the pokemon itself isn't broken, right? how am i supposed to be polite when people keep posting the dumbest shit imaginable with a perfectly straight face?
the people you're addressing already know this. they're just willing to ignore tiering philosophy and hold the entire meta hostage until they get their tera suspect. this isn't even some sort of conspiracy theory or bad-faith argument or anything, people have actually come out and said as much in public threads for anyone to see
id argue bax was alr broken in pre dlc meta that warranted a look at but i digress
I know this is a shitpost but that logic doesn't hold up since it is broken with Tera and we cannot safely assume it would not be broken without Tera. We are also not playing a Tera-less meta so we have to deal with what is broken as it stands.
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etc. on teams is also quite dumb, Blissey only rose to OU just to answer this thing and the others would much rather use better sets. In my suspect run I used AV offensive 
and imo it's a great answer but Blood Moon just exerts so much pressure it cripples your team, leaving it vulnerable to the other mons on it team and, as others have mentioned, forces at the very least a 1 for 1 trade. Usually it trades for way more though. Will be voting Ban.
Going full RandBats with Screens+Psychic for Tera Poison /s
People keep disregarding posts like these that happen every suspect. How many mons we going to ban because of this nonsensical mechanic? Tera is a problem that most people want addressed.
Let's say many pokémon share X brokeness factor (terastalization), it is stated in tiering that when this happens you are able to ban a move, ability, item or even a mechanic.
This is a conversation that's been had hundreds of times already that Tera isn't going to be addressed right now so this point is completely irrelevant because we are playing WITH Tera right now. So you have to make the best meta you can right now while Tera is available, which means banning problematic Pokémon like Ursaluna-B.
This point is funny bc even without Tera, Ursaluna-B is very good, meaningless is a crazy way to say it
OHKOd by banded roaring moon, bad mon /s
all jokes aside though i feel like i should say something about this
they disregard it bc this isn't a tera suspect, so arguments against or pro tera are not on topic. We're playing the metagame of now, where tera is fully legal and thus all decisions should be made in that context, not a context where tera is gone.
It keeps coming up because this argument hinges on forcing everyone to compartmentalize Tera when many in the community either cannot or will not do that. Functionally, base Bloodmoon and Tera Poison / Water / Fightin Bloodmoon are different mons. They have different counterplay, different typing, and different STABs.
A 59% pro-ban majority should not be taken lightly. Let’s refrain from calling 41% of the player base a “silent majority.” That is not any kind of majority. Just because something falls short of ban by razor thin margin of a supermajority does not mean most people think it is “okay.” The contrary. Last suspect Kingambit is now at 50% usage despite 55% of qualified voters deeming it broken. And people wonder why this tier is a mess.
