You could press the bulk up button again if they're so smart to bring in a sleeping lando-t for the free defense boost at a minimum...
But I liked Neliel Tu Oderschvank :(. Either way, Starmie is hopelessly walled by Blissey and Chansey. They literally fear nothing, can T-Wave it back so the switch is forced faster-that or you nail something else on the switch with it; the same goes for Toxic-and just S-toss at that measly HP stat. Jolteon can also come in on a predicted Thunderbolt or Thunder and proceed to easily destroy Starmie with one of its own, the same goes for Thundurus-T. Latias is also a decent check, as it can tank Ice Beams defensive Spinning Starmie all day, Roost off the damage, and then proceed to CM up. All in all, Starmie isn't that great as it seems. While BoltBeam and STAB Hydro Pump is nice, too much just puts it in its place. Sorry Starmie, but you aren't as godly as you used to be.BlackLight said:Neliel, you changed your name! Now I can pronounce it! XD
Wouldn't regular Kyurem work just as well, considering that it has Pressure to make up for a slight deficiency in Defense, or is that base 100 Defense important? Just curious.One of the best and most full-proof Starmie counters is SpD Kyurem-B. It's not even 2HKOed by Specs Psyshock after SR, and the only hope that Starmie has to get past it is with Specs Hydro Pump after SR. Of 'course getting burned by Scald sucks, so you may want to partner it with a cleric, and how funny, the best cleric in OU counters Starmie too :D
Starmie can't even OHKO Rotom with Specs Psyshock. Rotom can easily tank the hit and strike back with uninvested Volt Switch:252 SpAtk Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Rotom-W (+SpDef) : 27.63% - 32.57% > 4-5 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
252 SpAtk Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump in rain vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Rotom-W (+SpDef) : 41.45% - 48.68% > 3 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
252 SpAtk Choice Specs Starmie Ice Beam vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Rotom-W (+SpDef) : 14.47% - 17.11% > 9-12 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
252 SpAtk Choice Specs Starmie Thunderbolt vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Rotom-W (+SpDef) : 29.28% - 34.54% > 4-5 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
252 SpAtk Choice Specs Starmie Psyshock vs 252 HP/0 Def Rotom-W: 50.66% - 60.2% > 2-3 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
0 SpAtk Rotom-W Volt Switch vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Starmie: 69.85% - 82.44%
2 hits to KO
It's not a counter if Starmie can easily outspeed and KO it with one of its most commonly used moves, not to mention its definitely not if it needs that MANY boosts to KO it.I would say the best Starmie counter is Gyarados, it's +4 Earthquake OHKO's easily.
252Atk +2 Gyarados (+Atk) Earthquake vs 0HP/0Def Leftovers Starmie (Neutral): 101% - 120% (266 - 314 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
252Atk +1 Gyarados (+Atk) Earthquake vs 0HP/0Def Leftovers Starmie (Neutral): 76% - 90% (200 - 236 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
Less than 2% of Starmie in January ran AnalyticBlissey/Chansey isn't a threat anymore since Starmie got Psyshock.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/0Def Blissey (Neutral): 108% - 127% (774 - 912 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. Delete
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Blissey (+Def): 46% - 55% (333 - 393 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 6% chance to 2HKO with Leftovers.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/0Def Leftovers Chansey (Neutral): 133% - 157% (940 - 1108 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/0Def Eviolite Chansey (Neutral): 89% - 105% (628 - 741 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 32% chance to OHKO.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Chansey (+Def): 51% - 61% (364 - 430 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/0Def Leftovers Storm Drain Gastrodon (Neutral): 59% - 69% (253 - 297 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO
LO starmie even 2KO to bulky Gastrodon, btw
Plus, Starmie outspeeds those Pokemon, therefore that whole argument is invalid, unless you're running Lagging Tail. Analytic Starmie is bad, the whole logic behind this post is moot due to the fact that Analytic only activates if you move last, so yeah. Sorry if I sound like I'm being mean, but I'm just speaking the truth.Blissey/Chansey isn't a threat anymore since Starmie got Psyshock.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/0Def Blissey (Neutral): 108% - 127% (774 - 912 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. Delete
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Blissey (+Def): 46% - 55% (333 - 393 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 6% chance to 2HKO with Leftovers.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/0Def Leftovers Chansey (Neutral): 133% - 157% (940 - 1108 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/0Def Eviolite Chansey (Neutral): 89% - 105% (628 - 741 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 32% chance to OHKO.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Chansey (+Def): 51% - 61% (364 - 430 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
252SpAtk Life Orb Analytic Starmie (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/0Def Leftovers Storm Drain Gastrodon (Neutral): 59% - 69% (253 - 297 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO
LO starmie even 2KO to bulky Gastrodon, btw
Analytic will actually still activate as long as the target is switching in, since a switch technically counts as a high priority move.Plus, Starmie outspeeds those Pokemon, therefore that whole argument is invalid, unless you're running Lagging Tail. Analytic Starmie is bad, the whole logic behind this post is moot due to the fact that Analytic only activates if you move last, so yeah. Sorry if I sound like I'm being mean, but I'm just speaking the truth.
EDIT: Just realized that greencore could be trolling. Im gonna go with that.