Ruft
OU Leader
Survey results are up:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-tiering-surveys.3711911/post-9889958
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-tiering-surveys.3711911/post-9889958
What about Solgaleo? It got a bit of traction for a potential unban in the last couple of weeks.
-- Do not unban
Bax was quickbanned very early with an insane margin throughout the council and community. It will have access to all of the same things and I’m not convinced the dynamic will change. If we truly identify new elements of counterplay to it, maybe a retest into a stable tier, but freeing it right now seems ill advised.
-- Unban
Gliscor absolutely deserves another shot after being banned via close suspect vote during a few weeks of contention throughout the community. I can see it sticking or potentially going again, but it was an easy vote to reintroduce.
-- Unban
Roaring Moon was another close ban via suspect last time around and it really only got one move between then and when it was fine in OU prior to DLC. I can see it still being too strong, but perhaps more priority and pressure will minimize its antics.
-- Do not unban
Sneasler may have more scattered counterplay and I wouldn’t mind trying it again too much, but it never added anything to the tier besides soaking Toxic Spikes while it was a huge nuisance in the teambuilder, had games boil down to Tera timing around Unburden variants, and even occasional Dire Claw fuckery was a painful touch as well. It seems best to not have this in what we hope to be an eventually balanced metagame.
-- Do not unban
Urshifus are just too potent with all they have within their arsenal between potent STAB, priority, boosting, item, ability, and so on. I do think Rapid is the less broken of the two, but even then I don’t want to see it resurface anytime soon. It was insane last time around and I do not see a ton changing. Having a tolerable speed tier can hold things down a bit, but it ravages any balance and rarely has any switch-ins.
-- Unban
Volcarona absolutely deserves another shot after only being banned after a controversial quickban. Many people were glad to not deal with its antics and I am among them, but it’s only fair to see it through once more.
-- Unban
Zamazenta-Crowned probably could’ve been a suspect like Volcarona, too. It barely got quick-banned last time and I wonder if it’ll even be that much better than Zamazenta-Hero as it lacks the item slot and a ton of immediate breaking power. It’s also a tad slower. I can see it being too much, but curious and happy to handle it aggressively if it drops.
-- Unban
Darkrai I think may be insane once people optimize strategies with it and we will have to be aggressive around it, but it received substantial support in the community survey to drop and I don’t want to entirely ignore that, so giving it a shot seems appropriate. Not too sold on this vote, but we shall see.
NoWhat about Solgaleo? It got a bit of traction for a potential unban in the last couple of weeks.
Could it be?
I'm wondering how kyurem will fare too, It could either a more broken bax, or it could be a healthy presence like zamazenta. It all just depends on what it gets this gen and what it losesUrsaluna got the lowest qualified results god bless that mon is a fucking demon that should never scrape OU again
Interesting about Kyurem coming down, I wonder how it'll fair
OU room defo gonna do at least one unban tour for himAlso, free my man solgaleo for the funnies for all of 2 minutes
Talonflame is literally a dedicated check that succeeds at its job more often than it fails, the improving and adapting has been done, it's just that to add Talonflame and respond to Rillaboom's pressure takes up a valuable team slot that makes matchups vs other threatening breakers all the more problematic. There's also the fact that responding to Rillaboom isn't just adding a Rillaboom counter, it's also having a rock solid Heatran answer, waterpon answer, and Hatterene answer that can cover both stored power and psyshock sets, and doing that all with just 1 Tera. and if they also have another Tera required/preferable Pokémon like Ghold, Valiant, or Glowking there's very little you can realistically do
"Just play around it" is definitely easier said than done with a nuclear breaker that has the option to spam knock off, you're going to have to make a little more effort than just saying that
You people are so dumb. Genuinely. Baxcal and roaring moon and the rest are whatever, but anyone who actually voted to let sneasler down is not to be listened to on any mons related opinion ever. I don't care how good you actually are at the game, I don't care if you've won SPL 5 times in a row, letting Sneasler down is like deciding that this tier wasn't fucked enough already. There is nothing in that list of returning pokemon that I can see on serebii that even remotely handles it. Gholdengo doesn't handle it, Zaptres are fake checks at best and useless if you run Gunk Shot over CC, Dondozo is the literal only thing in the entire metagame that can deal with it, and that relies entirely on not getting crit twice by CC or dicked on by Dire Claw shenanigans if you're running a bad set. This is also while GLISCOR IS IN THE META. AKA THE FREEST DOUBLE SD YOU CAN GET. Why on EARTH would ANYONE EVER VOTE TO LET THIS THING BACK INTO THE TIER. It outspeeds the ENTIRE meta, can't be dealt with by the thing you would think deals with it in Gliscor, and the only hard wall it has is stall specific. You people are out of your mind.
I think u need to relax a tiny bit, friendYou people are so dumb. Genuinely. Baxcal and roaring moon and the rest are whatever, but anyone who actually voted to let sneasler down is not to be listened to on any mons related opinion ever. I don't care how good you actually are at the game, I don't care if you've won SPL 5 times in a row, letting Sneasler down is like deciding that this tier wasn't fucked enough already. There is nothing in that list of returning pokemon that I can see on serebii that even remotely handles it. Gholdengo doesn't handle it, Zaptres are fake checks at best and useless if you run Gunk Shot over CC, Dondozo is the literal only thing in the entire metagame that can deal with it, and that relies entirely on not getting crit twice by CC or dicked on by Dire Claw shenanigans if you're running a bad set. This is also while GLISCOR IS IN THE META. AKA THE FREEST DOUBLE SD YOU CAN GET. Why on EARTH would ANYONE EVER VOTE TO LET THIS THING BACK INTO THE TIER. It outspeeds the ENTIRE meta, can't be dealt with by the thing you would think deals with it in Gliscor, and the only hard wall it has is stall specific. You people are out of your mind.
Chill.You people are so dumb. Genuinely. Baxcal and roaring moon and the rest are whatever, but anyone who actually voted to let sneasler down is not to be listened to on any mons related opinion ever. I don't care how good you actually are at the game, I don't care if you've won SPL 5 times in a row, letting Sneasler down is like deciding that this tier wasn't fucked enough already. There is nothing in that list of returning pokemon that I can see on serebii that even remotely handles it. Gholdengo doesn't handle it, Zaptres are fake checks at best and useless if you run Gunk Shot over CC, Dondozo is the literal only thing in the entire metagame that can deal with it, and that relies entirely on not getting crit twice by CC or dicked on by Dire Claw shenanigans if you're running a bad set. This is also while GLISCOR IS IN THE META. AKA THE FREEST DOUBLE SD YOU CAN GET. Why on EARTH would ANYONE EVER VOTE TO LET THIS THING BACK INTO THE TIER. It outspeeds the ENTIRE meta, can't be dealt with by the thing you would think deals with it in Gliscor, and the only hard wall it has is stall specific. You people are out of your mind.
Poor it doesn't even qualify as bait material lolwell, on the topic of unbanning ubers, I've got a pile more to suggest dropping:
: It just can't do anything to defensive pokemon, anything that is immune to toxic will just straight up beat it, especially with reduced roost pp. If it gets defog back it can be a good defogger, which we are in desperate need of
and : crippled by their 4x ghost and dark weakness in a metagame where ghosts and darks make up 2 of the three most used pokemon in the tier. DW has no way to boost its paltry base 77 speed, limiting its offensive presense, while Lunala has less power meaning its wallbreaking isn't that strong
:It's just great tusk, but worse hp and loses rapid spin to boost its speed. It could also enable some sun structures to become viable again, meaning the metagame has one more viable team structure, which is good. Inaccurate ground stab sucks.
: It's dondozo minus the unaware and the great defensive typing. Defensive sets will be a great defogger that canbeat gholdengoforce gholdengo to go spdef. Offensive sets might seem scary until you remember that it has 5 very common weaknesses and few good resistances, which, in conjunction with its lack of a pdef boosting move, leaves it vulnerable to those aforementioned darks and ghosts.
: 125 attack is not the best in this meta, and 125 speed, while still good, is apparently "slow" for fellow uber darkrai. Physical ghost STAB is a lot less valuable in the generation where everything can get physical ghost stab if they so desire with Tera Blast. In addition, its typing leaves it vulnerable to premier revenge killing option(s) valiant, which isn't even ko'd by band technician sneak, and Pult.
(NOT , just the regular form): 100 attack is just bad now, and with the rise of universal counterplay (i.e. encore) you have ways of checking setup sets that don't require having a typing advantage. Similar to kingambit. It's also kinda slow, needing 2 dragon dances to outrun BE valiant.
If anyone disagrees with this, they must be either trolling or completely stupid, because there's no way I made any mistakes whatsoever in judging these pokemon's viability.