yes it was but i wasn't a fan of it since they will practically always lose a donor for they prevolutionMergemons was a thing in older gens albeit with the next and previous Pokemon by dex number IIRC
yes it was but i wasn't a fan of it since they will practically always lose a donor for they prevolutionMergemons was a thing in older gens albeit with the next and previous Pokemon by dex number IIRC
Mix and Mega is already a thing this generation, and there's no reason to ruin metas that aren't yet a thing by attaching them to the embarrassment that is NatDex (they will also automatically not be considered OMs if they use NatDex, so even if NatDex wasn't the worst thing, it still wouldn't belong anywhere near here).Is there any interest in bringing back some old formats using Natdex?
Metagamiate: The premise was that all Pokémon could have access to the -ate abilities (Aerilate, Pixilate, Refrigerate). I don’t remember whether the normal ability had to be replaced with the -ate ability and I don’t remember whether -ate abilities were created for types that lack them, like Fire, Water, and Grass. A very offense-heavy meta.
Megamons: If that’s the correct name. Every Pokémon can mega evolve if holding a mega stone and there is no restriction on how many Pokémon can mega evolve on each team. Upon mega evolving it gets all stat changes, type changes, and ability changes corresponding to the stone it holds. A meta that allowed for a lot of different playstyles, like HO with Metagrossite Terrakion and stall with Sablenite Blissey.
Oh right, it's MnM. Not sure how I managed to forget that. I haven't seen the thread so I'll check that out. And damn, sorry for even saying the phrase "NatDex", I wasn't aware it was such a sensitive subject. Next time I won't bother asking.Mix and Mega is already a thing this generation, and there's no reason to ruin metas that aren't yet a thing by attaching them to the embarrassment that is NatDex (they will also automatically not be considered OMs if they use NatDex, so even if NatDex wasn't the worst thing, it still wouldn't belong anywhere near here).
The exact stat value has this Volcarona gains Defense equal to half of this Scizor's def, which is 164, and added together with it's 167, becomes 331, which is huge for Volcarona, but since SP.Atk is the lowest of Scizor's, which halved is 73, makes the SP.ATK of Volcarona become 296 which isn't good for Valcarona. this means Volcarona is more physically bulky although it does mean it might need a little bit more set up for Special Attacking build, but it can now take more hits in order to get there.You still need to explain how the stats work.
Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Psychic
- Giga Drain
Scizor
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Bug Buzz
- Vacuum Wave
What are the EXACT stat values of this combo? For reference, this Volcarona has
311 HP
112 Attack
167 Defense
369 Special Attack
246 Special Defense
328 Speed
while this Scizor has
344 HP
238 Attack
328 Defense
146 Special Attack
197 Special Defense
166 Speed
You can't just keep saying "it depends on the stats". We need to know what that actually means.
I'm pretty sure this already exists on ROM (Random Other Metagames) as Frantic Fusions, but there is a tiny chance that I could be wrong.One of the features that Pokemon fans have wanted, but has never seen substantial distribution is fusion. But what if we could have two Pokemon of ours fused?
Introducing
Fusionmons
A metagame in which your Pokemon are fused with another Pokemon by naming them.
To expand on that, there are 2 Pokemon to be fused. One I’m calling the basemon and the other the namemon. The facemon has the namemon added onto it. By having them fused, they have their Stats averaged, their Movepools combined, their Types combined (basemon primary type, namemon secondary Type, or primary nanemon Type if there is none) and you have the ability to choose any one of their Abilities. To summarize the stats system, it’s very simple. You take the Base Stat you want to average of the basemon and the base stat of the namemon and average them. If I were to put that in an equation, (Base Stat 1 + Base Stat 2)/2 = New Stat. Of course, this would result in some New Stats having half a point. In that case you would round down. One rule to balance this would be that you can’t have a namemon and a basemon with the same Pokemon share a team. That way you can’t have a Dark/Fire Malamar Victini and a pure Psychic Victini Malamar.
For example:
Tornadus-Therian (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Knock Off
- Wish
- U-turn
This would take Jirachi from a Steel/Psychic type with 100/100/100/100/100/100 stats and Serene Grace and transform it to a Steel/Flying type with 93/100/100/95/92/108 stats with a choice between Serene Grace or Regenerator. It would also greatly expand its movepool, having access to all of Tornadus-Therian and Jirachi’s moves.
For another example we’ll move to
Landorus-Therian (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Liquidation
- U-turn
- Knock Off
A more offensively potent fusion. This is a Ground/Water type with 69/104/121/79/110/63 stats.
Team examples:
For these I had a couple of unbans in mind. Zygarde, Magearna, Nagandel, Genesect, Landorus-Incarnate, and Cinderace.
Sun Team - https://pokepast.es/5f2d25acbb5c90aa
Rain Team - https://pokepast.es/e68460926eb5ddf6
Sand Team - https://pokepast.es/0a234e6eb9937a04
Hail Team - https://pokepast.es/234973b55a233ffa
Balance - https://pokepast.es/680ae6ccb3c67dcc
Electric Terrain - https://pokepast.es/0ea1ea0318a6ad50
Semistall https://pokepast.es/cda7e1936f6479e9
Possible Bans:
Malamar is just nasty. Having Contrary and Superpower is very hard to revenge kill. The worst combination is with Victini, who would benefit greatly from Contrary. The only upside is Malamar has middling stats in every category.
Melmetal, or at least Double Iron Bash is definitely going. The fact that you can combine Melmetal with Jirachi and then it gets Serene Grace and Trick Room is just horrendous.
Moves like Bolt Beak and Fishous Rend or the Pokemon which learn them are quite likely to receive a big ol’ hammer. They can get many ways of boosting their speed and that might make it very hard to switch into.
Quiver Dance. Being the only move to boost speed and special attack makes it very easy for special attackers to abuse it.
Zygarde gives Thousand Wave and Dragon Dance, and it takes an ability.
Questions for the community:
Does this premise need to be refined? Should other ubers like Pheromosa, Marshadow, Urshifu-Single-Strike or Spectrier be unbanned? Are there any other things that should be considered for a ban?
This does existI'm pretty sure this already exists on ROM (Random Other Metagames) as Frantic Fusions, but there is a tiny chance that I could be wrong.
Megapoly Morph
Rules: Species Clause, no Dynamax, same Evolution tree Clause.
Premise: 3v3 with a twist. Pokemon in the 2nd, 4th, and 6th position essentially become part of the pokemon that comes before them. (So actually a 6v6 except three of them are not actually used.) I tried to explain it better this time. also thought Megapoly Morph would be a better name thant the previous, which was; Guardian Angel due to it being 2 pokemon essentially going in as 1.
It's like 2nd, 4th, and 6th pokemon in the team are what the pokemon gain and loses, like Megamons except you get to make your own 'megas' but also, 2 of the moves, as well as depending on the second pokemon and their lowest stat (Ie. a Relaxed Mew would make a Zacian slower, but better physical defense for example regardless of Mew's actual stats are).
Regarding how the stat changes are determined, the Lowest and Highest Stats will be applied to the pokemon in the even slot, for example, a Lax Klefki in the second slot would make a Modest Volcarona slower and take more physical damage. as well as granting it 2 moves that it can learn and it's ability
example Team:
still sweepin' (Volcarona) @ Wise Glasses
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Thunder Wave
- Firey Dance
- Stored Power
Klefki
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunder Wave
- Stored Power
Note: despite Klefki's worst stat being speed, it would not hinder Volcarona as much, especialy almost every volcarona strat revolves around Quiver Dance, using Stored Power from klefki to topple anything that can take a boosted Firey Dance, and using the borrowed Prankster and Thunder wave to make sure it outspeeds, and also has better physical defense if it means anything.
Zacian 2.0 (Swampert) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Punch
- Drill Run
- Liquidation
(Barraskewda's fourthmove here)
Barraskewda
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Drill Run
(anything to cover the team )
Note: Even though they are equally formiddible, it would be Swampert's already lackluster special defense taking the hit while Speed would be make this duo essentially Zacian on crack. only when it's raining though. although the difference is that unlike Zacian, this swampert could due to a flamethrower if it wasn't for it's high HP. even with the vest,absorb takes it out regardless.
Water/Bug (Shuckle) @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Defense Curl
- U-turn
- Rollout
- Roost
Pelipper
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 Def
Lax Nature
- U-turn
- Roost
Notes: This would just harm Shuckle's only good stats being it's Defenses, but in return, it could potentially be used to stall (Like what it already does) but it can be easily used to Set up weather, although Golisopod Could be used instead in a Mono team, giving Shuckle the needed punch for it's physical attacks, although everyone would just use it in one of the odd slots like giving Frosmoth a way to survive more attacks while lowering it's already almost useless ATK in a mono bug team.
The exact stat value has this Volcarona gains Defense equal to half of this Scizor's def, which is 164, and added together with it's 167, becomes 331, which is huge for Volcarona, but since SP.Atk is the lowest of Scizor's, which halved is 73, makes the SP.ATK of Volcarona become 296 which isn't good for Valcarona. this means Volcarona is more physically bulky although it does mean it might need a little bit more set up for Special Attacking build, but it can now take more hits in order to get there.
So essentially, Whatever is the lowest and Highest Stats of the pokemon in the 2nd, 4th, and 6th slot affect the pokemon before them similar to a Mega pokemon, making them essentially better but still taking 1 bigger hit to one of their stabs, essentially Mix and Mega combined with a few aspects of Chimeramons,
Banlist: most likely just the ubers but it depends on who is donating the moves and abilities (Cinderace/Zacian) and who is getting the benefits.
Watchlist: Ulta Beasts, Pokemon with abililites like Huge/Pure power Download and Adaptability. G-Darmanitan, the Draco and Zolts, Silvally and Type Null, Lugia, Blissey AND Ferrothorn, Pokemon with Rollout/Ice Ball in Hail and Sandstorm teams.
This would be too broken.Power Stacker
a National AG format Metagame
Things such as mega evolution, Zmoves, and Dynamax are usable on the same pokemon
Rayquaza (the ability to stack all 3 power-ups due to its mega evolution requirement is enough to warrant this)
-Mega evolution takes priority over Gmax form, however the Gmax moves will still be usable.
-Z moves will boost the power of a max move and add Z to the beginning much like it does for moves such as splash in sun and moon (Z moves only take priority on pokemon specific Z crystals)
So you're saying to expand BH to other metas? Probably not.Monthly Unbound Meta
Think of what pure hackmons is to BH in terms of what is banned, extend that to other metagames when using unbound.
this does not make every metagame an AG format if it is in OU format, the Unbanned pokemon for the metagame are those banned in specific, and the pokemon from OUBL, Ubers would still be banned in that metagame
Endless Battle Clause
Sleep Clause
My bad, Should have worded it more properly. What I was trying to say was the banned pokemon of a metagame would be unbanned in the unbound versions. (Some examples being No guard being allowed in unbound AAA, or Kangaskhanite being allowed in unbound MnM) and some clauses do get to stay (stuff like no dynamax is a given to remain on OMs unless said otherwise)So you're saying to expand BH to other metas? Probably not.
A little team I wanna show,a HO that might be really strong (i think)One of the features that Pokemon fans have wanted, but has never seen substantial distribution is fusion. But what if we could have two Pokemon of ours fused?
Introducing
Fusionmons
A metagame in which your Pokemon are fused with another Pokemon by naming them.
To expand on that, there are 2 Pokemon to be fused. One I’m calling the basemon and the other the namemon. The facemon has the namemon added onto it. By having them fused, they have their Stats averaged, their Movepools combined, their Types combined (basemon primary type, namemon secondary Type, or primary nanemon Type if there is none) and you have the ability to choose any one of their Abilities. To summarize the stats system, it’s very simple. You take the Base Stat you want to average of the basemon and the base stat of the namemon and average them. If I were to put that in an equation, (Base Stat 1 + Base Stat 2)/2 = New Stat. Of course, this would result in some New Stats having half a point. In that case you would round down. One rule to balance this would be that you can’t have a namemon and a basemon with the same Pokemon share a team. That way you can’t have a Dark/Fire Malamar Victini and a pure Psychic Victini Malamar.
For example:
Tornadus-Therian (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Knock Off
- Wish
- U-turn
This would take Jirachi from a Steel/Psychic type with 100/100/100/100/100/100 stats and Serene Grace and transform it to a Steel/Flying type with 93/100/100/95/92/108 stats with a choice between Serene Grace or Regenerator. It would also greatly expand its movepool, having access to all of Tornadus-Therian and Jirachi’s moves.
For another example we’ll move to
Landorus-Therian (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Liquidation
- U-turn
- Knock Off
A more offensively potent fusion. This is a Ground/Water type with 69/104/121/79/110/63 stats.
Team examples:
For these I had a couple of unbans in mind. Zygarde, Magearna, Nagandel, Genesect, Landorus-Incarnate, and Cinderace.
Sun Team - https://pokepast.es/5f2d25acbb5c90aa
Rain Team - https://pokepast.es/e68460926eb5ddf6
Sand Team - https://pokepast.es/0a234e6eb9937a04
Hail Team - https://pokepast.es/234973b55a233ffa
Balance - https://pokepast.es/680ae6ccb3c67dcc
Electric Terrain - https://pokepast.es/0ea1ea0318a6ad50
Semistall https://pokepast.es/cda7e1936f6479e9
Possible Bans:
Malamar is just nasty. Having Contrary and Superpower is very hard to revenge kill. The worst combination is with Victini, who would benefit greatly from Contrary. The only upside is Malamar has middling stats in every category.
Melmetal, or at least Double Iron Bash is definitely going. The fact that you can combine Melmetal with Jirachi and then it gets Serene Grace and Trick Room is just horrendous.
Moves like Bolt Beak and Fishous Rend or the Pokemon which learn them are quite likely to receive a big ol’ hammer. They can get many ways of boosting their speed and that might make it very hard to switch into.
Quiver Dance. Being the only move to boost speed and special attack makes it very easy for special attackers to abuse it.
Zygarde gives Thousand Wave and Dragon Dance, and it takes an ability.
Questions for the community:
Does this premise need to be refined? Should other ubers like Pheromosa, Marshadow, Urshifu-Single-Strike or Spectrier be unbanned? Are there any other things that should be considered for a ban?
Good idea, though I fear it might be too similar to Sketchmons. Both this and Sketchmons have the basic premise of "you can put basically any one move you want on each of your Pokemon" with the only differences being that this meta allows you to put more than one new move on a Pokemon provided they're the same type, while also not allowing new Normal or Fairy moves. The limit to Normal moves it probably the biggest difference, though it might not be enough for the metagame approval team.All pokemon get acces to all moves of their hidden power type
Bad idea.minus Signature
Hidden Power Fairy doesn't exist.Hidden Power Fairy Urshifu can learn Play Rough and Moonlight
No.but to keep this from getting too stale, why not include some scrapped/lostmons into the fun