Been there, done that. It's a gimmick that doesn't really work that well, IMO.Has anybody tried using Mirror Herb + Swagger? It seems smart but is also hella risky
Been there, done that. It's a gimmick that doesn't really work that well, IMO.Has anybody tried using Mirror Herb + Swagger? It seems smart but is also hella risky
In addition to being an unreliable gimmick, there is really nothing that can run it viably. Grimmsnarl is the only OU proper mon that would seem to benefit from it. But it loses out on way too much by dropping its support moves, and it's too slow. Grafaiai and Primeape could theoretically run it, but they are obviously lacking in bulk and power to keep up in OU. Tauros is really the only other mon I can think of here but it's still a very all or nothing strategy that really doesn't get you much in return. You are probably better off just running a SD sweeper and setting up on a forced switch.Has anybody tried using Mirror Herb + Swagger? It seems smart but is also hella risky
this but fairy, honestly, fighting spam is kinda good in this meta, because there's not too many resists to all of them, the combination of Bulk Up Tusk and Loaded Dice Loom is insane, with that being said, all fun stops the moment you start seeing shit like specs psyshock valiant, psychic spam volcarona, extrasensory gren, a fucking scarf modest indeedee F out of fucking nowhere and hatterenesomething I can't help but notice when building is just how often I feel pressured to stack psychic weaknesses, especially in the defensive aspect, between pex, amoongus, clodsire, the 2 tauros, and tusk, it feels like all too often I'm 3 mons into a team and I suddenly realize theres a massive psychic sized hole in my team, which in turn feels like I almost have to overcompensate for said weakness or rethink the team, anyone else share this sentiment?
HARD AGREEtorkoal dropping to uu is hilarious
here is what noobs want:
set up sun with torkoal → bring in chi-yu → tera-fire → scarf flamethrower GG
set up rain with pelipper → bring in floatzel → tera-water → banded wave crash GG
now that chi-yu is banned there is no reliable replacement for this sequence. that's why people transitioned from sun to rain
they're ass
and i'm saying that respectfully
also i was exaggerating when i made that comparison since banded tera-water wave crash is not actually "GG"
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it's really hard to get consistent mileage out of floatzel when everything turns into a water-type to cut its "wall-breaking" short. garganacl, great tusk, ting-lu, skeledirge, etc.... a lot of uncomfortable situations even when floatzel comes in on something that it should theoretically have a type advantage vs
the massive insurgence of bunker pex and water absorb clodsire sucks too
and god does this thing suicide itself so fast. there's a real problem when you need to burn your tera on a 'mon that dies in 2-3 turns
i will say however that greninja in rain is broken. it's honestly the only 'mon saving this archetype from being unusable in serious play. run it on every rain. you're doing something wrong otherwise
sun is still the superior weather imo because it's (1) less reliant on its weather to function, (2) more versatile, and (3) its abusers are not 490bst shit 'mons:
great tusk turns into groudon in sun. offensive sun tusk literally has zero counter-play outside of your opponent's great tusk. this will cause a great tusk for a great tusk trade minimum
then roaring moon comes in with its choice band +speed set after their tusk dies. kills everything, a dragon dance upon switch-in is crazyyy
there are other amazing abusers as well from ceruledge, cinderace, slither wing, volcarona, and iron moth to more niche options like sandy shocks, charizard, scream tail, scovillain, and brute bonnet
some sun samples:
storm zone sun - i have been enjoying this sun my brotha SZ made recently. iron moth in sun is unwallable and defensively it provides a lot absorbing tspikes and checking valiant/dengo. scream tail is also very slept on in sun. i think it has use outside of sun but imo it's best in sun because the defense boost lets it do heinous shit like counter cb pao. a simple set of dazzling gleam / encore / protect / wish counter-teams all variants of offense & hyper offense (exhibit a / exhibit b). the fat wishes are also amazing to keep stuff like great tusk and torkoal alive in longer games. you can run flamethrower to apply some pressure on steels and amoonguss but i personally have found it hard to fit. if you're going to drop a move for flamethrower i'd personally drop wish. yes it seems ratchet at first glance & wish is amazing, but since sun is basically HO you can still live without it. please don't drop encore though, encore-less scream tail is ass
tpp sun - a friend of mine recreated then passed this sun to me last week so (A) some sets are prolly wrong & (B) didn't want to ask TPP himself cuz not sure if his team is planning to re-use this! anyways point is you bring in zard and it fucks the club up. it is the closest replacement to sun chi-yu in terms of power but it's still a zard at the end of the day so it's obviously not broken. slither wing in sun is slept on and one of the best abusers. i personally prefer offensive sets since first impression can carry entire games but this morning sun + wisp set TPP used is mad good too. utility, longevity, breaking, and pivoting all in 1 slot-- it did hella work when i was loading it on the ladder
vert sun - was very surprised to see this used in spl. if you told someone this team won you'd prolly assume the brute bonnet got pocketed but the reality is it killed everything. people sleep on this thing fr fr, deadly wall-breaker and spore is broken. ceruledge is another nasty 'mon in sun, +2 sun bitter blade x solar blade has no counter-play outside of skeledirge. the great tusk is defensive here but it's a necessity for opposing tusk. as you can see with the first 2 samples SZ has scream tail and TPP has zard + slither so they can get away with offensive tusk. sadly i don't have that luxury. more info in my brotha Mimikyu Stardust fire ass post
tl;dr rain's usage stats don't mean shit. i don't think rain is even close to sun in terms of viability & consistency
is there a way where these 2 sets synergize with each other?Kingambit @ Leftovers
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 108 HP / 252 Atk / 148 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Kowtow Cleave
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Roost
here ya go pal
Honestly, love this sets, there's a lot of stuff that i wanna personally work on, one of them being Eerie Impulse rotom wash, because I do believe that it's actually good, but I love the creativity some people will get out of mons that most believe are done, and its potential is just a square
Imo fairy isn't nearly as threatening as psychic in this meta, and the reason is fairly simple for, reference:this but fairy, honestly, fighting spam is kinda good in this meta, because there's not too many resists to all of them, the combination of Bulk Up Tusk and Loaded Dice Loom is insane, with that being said, all fun stops the moment you start seeing shit like specs psyshock valiant, psychic spam volcarona, extrasensory gren, a fucking scarf modest indeedee F out of fucking nowhere and hatterene
2 set up sweepers with access to priority and hard hitting attacks that can revenge kill, bait the check mons and generate opportunities for the other, you will need something for corviknight tho, depending if you're on offense or defense, magnezone, gholdengo, garganacl, cinderace, iron moth, and stuff like that could work outis there a way where these 2 sets synergize with each other?
This is what tera fairy specs valiant does to the brain's dopamine receptors, but for real, your kinda right, and this is another reason why Slowking balance is gonna explode when pao gets bannedImo fairy isn't nearly as threatening as psychic in this meta
stop farming reaction scoreWe may have another tiering survey very soon.
Isn't it a bit trigger-happy to have another survey before the meta has even changed after Chien-Pao's eventual ban?We may have another tiering survey very soon.
Also Garg/dengo but yeah this is a bit soon, I'm thinking it could potentially be about tera again, as it's kind of what's pushing these mons over the edge. Though I'm sure everything that's banned, would've been banned anyway, pao included.Isn't it a bit trigger-happy to have another survey before the meta has even changed after Chien-Pao's eventual ban?
I understand that a sizable portion of the playerbase thinks that Espathra is a problem, but we can't know for sure that it won't be easier to prepare for Espathra after the Snow Leopard's ban is final since that'll be one less threat out of the way.
People for generations complained about the lack of openness and transparency about our process. So now that I’m leader I’m dedicating hours of my time to inform my playerbase what’s going on with the tier they play and care about.stop farming reaction score
The metagame has changed a lot over the last three weeks or so. We believe another action is appropriate and then we will get closer to an ideal metagame. It is impossible to achieve a perfect data sample, but one right now is better than one from January or waiting multiple more weeks when Home will undo most of this and we want to get to a playable state.Isn't it a bit trigger-happy to have another survey before the meta has even changed after Chien-Pao's eventual ban?
I understand that a sizable portion of the playerbase thinks that Espathra is a problem, but we can't know for sure that it won't be easier to prepare for Espathra after the Snow Leopard's ban is final since that'll be one less threat out of the way.
GARGANACL BOM BA-YEWe may have another tiering survey very soon.
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if you’re going to use the home update as relevant, then garganacl will not be more oppressive, rather less so.I think the course of action should just be to quick ban Espa and Garg, especially since the Home update is creeping up, probably around Pokémon Day.
Action must be done, but Home (also if patterns say anything, another Tera Raid starter), is at the least three weeks away, so it's just a weird spot since it's creeping up extremely fast.
So why are we banning Pokémon that will potentially come back a month from now? Isn’t it best to see how the meta is without pao before taking unnecessary actions. If home was in April or may I’d understand but march is literally three weeks away lolI think the course of action should just be to quick ban Espa and Garg, especially since the Home update is creeping up, probably around Pokémon Day.
Action must be done, but Home (also if patterns say anything, another Tera Raid starter), is at the least three weeks away, so it's just a weird spot since it's creeping up extremely fast.
MTE. It'd be so pointless to suspect or qb other things like Garga & Pathra when they'll probably get unbanned when Home is up.So why are we banning Pokémon that will potentially come back a month from now? Isn’t it best to see how the meta is without pao before taking unnecessary actions. If home was in April or may I’d understand but march is literally three weeks away lol
That’s exactly what I was thinking. It’s okay to have them on the radar but we are going to have official news of home release very soon. If the release is in march, I’d say the same as you did. Pleasing the meta for less than 3 weeks and then have it rapidly change when home is released is not worth the time imo. Not to mention when home is released in march. I’d probably not touch it since there are gonna be some crazier mons mentioned that are worse than what is on radar. I feel that when there is a release date then I would press forward but taking actions after pao banned (which happens this week) just isn’t worth the time to suspect or qb when those mons will have to get retested again and will probably pass the test anyways.MTE. It'd be so pointless to suspect or qb other things like Garga & Pathra when they'll probably get unbanned when Home is up.
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Alright man, you have officially become public enemy number 1 in my book, I'm gonna hold grudges and resentment until the end of timeChesnaught? (might not be total ass with Ferrothorn not here to overshadow it, probs is still meh)