I could build a million Slowking-Galar + Bird + Bulky Ground cores and never get tired of it, seriously. Such a solid yet flexible backbone that lets you run interesting mons in the breaker, speed control, and offensive support slots. I especially like variations with Moltres because it owns most physical mons on Hyper Offense. Something like SpDef Glowking, Phys Def Molt, and speed-invested Lando-T w/ Grass Knot is a pretty reliable core for laddering. Teras broaden your coverage, as well. With the above core, something like Tera Water Glowking, Tera Grass Molt, and Tera Fairy Lando-T can give you emergency checks to things like Walking Wake, Ogerpon-W, and Gambit, respectively.
The fuck is this supposed to mean? Lots of shit doesn't help the metagame (?) but that doesn't mean they're broken. Frankly, someone earlier posted a better response, think it was near the beginning of the previous page.
but much better, not that this isnt bad.
A certain unamed forbidden concept of power exists as a term to answer the question of balance. Darkrai might not help the metagame, sure, but does it harm the metagame? I don't think so. It kinda needs to tera to stay safe from Iron Valiant unless it opts for scarf, and it does check some of the problematic things in the meta right now. It's not like dropping Darkrai will change anything happening with anything at the moment. In all honesty it's just more offense on top of the offense we already have. Adding power to power doesn't weaken anything. There's too much things to acknowledge to single out Darkrai. Dropping it to OU now would be such a bad move but once again: it's not problematic.
I believe that Darkrai not only won't help the metagame but actively harm it given how it demolishes defensive structures with ease more than anything else in the meta right now while not being deadweight against offense. Again, the only switch-in is Muk-Alola, a niche option that is far from splashable. Darkrai is a monstrous breaker that is above anything that does anything similar in OU right now.
Dropping Darkrai down to answer Rimbombee, of course. It's 1 point higher in speed and can either put it to sleep or Taunt it.
I mean if you really think it's that bad...
Zamazenta is easily walled while Darkrai eats walls for breakfast. Zamazenta is really not a good comparison. The closest analog to Darkrai would be Naganadel only Darkrai can't boost its speed after claiming a kill like Naganadel did.
If darkrai is anywhere near broken, it's not due to it's sleeper set, there's another pokemon that abuses hypnosis much better and can win games much easier than Darkrai ever could:I don't see why we're entertaining the idea of introducing a base 125 speed sleeper in this already-too-hostile metagame. Hypnosis has a meme-worthy 60% accuracy, sure, but deciding games on that kind of a coin-flip vs a mon that fast doesn't sound like a healthy interaction to me. Reminds me of HypnoMegaGar from ORAS Ubers minus the trapping.
Not only Hypnosis, but Darkrai has a ton of different options that'll make checking it annoying as hell, like Nasty Plot, Will-o-Wisp, Thunder Wave, Knock Off, and tera options like Poison, Ghost, or whatever else for boosting any of its coverage moves.
Bad Dreams + Tera Ghost Hex, in particular, sounds scary as hell for bulky teams to deal with, especially if you pair this with Toxic Spikes for targets other than the one that's asleep.
Darkrai @ Leftovers
Ability: Bad Dreams
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Hypnosis
- Hex
- Dark Pulse
Yeah, no thanks.
Hypnosis would be ass and inconsistent. If I want to rely on RNG procs, Sub TWave sounds way better, especially when combo'd with Dark Pulse's 20% flinch chance, though being walled by Ting-Lu is not great. I guess a benefit of Hypnosis is that it triggers additional Chip damage from bad Dreams. This might have interesting applications vs a few walls too like Dondozo.I don't see why we're entertaining the idea of introducing a base 125 speed sleeper in this already-too-hostile metagame. Hypnosis has a meme-worthy 60% accuracy, sure, but deciding games on that kind of a coin-flip vs a mon that fast doesn't sound like a healthy interaction to me.
Not only Hypnosis, but Darkrai has a ton of different options that'll make checking it annoying as hell, like Nasty Plot, Will-o-Wisp, Thunder Wave, Knock Off, and tera options like Poison, Ghost, or whatever else for boosting any of its coverage moves.
Bad Dreams + Tera Ghost Hex, in particular, sounds scary as hell for bulky teams to deal with.
Darkrai @ Leftovers
Ability: Bad Dreams
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Hypnosis
- Hex
- Dark Pulse
Yeah, no thanks.
Greninja is legit scary. Even with a 103 SpAttack it always surprises you just how much a Life Orb boosted Hydro can do even to dedicated special walls. Plus always threating Battle Bond to weakened teams.
Counterpoint:
Honestly, probs time to test it. People thought the council were mad for unbanning Blaziken last gen, and look where it ended up. Imo, it's more comparable to Flutter Mane and Iron Bundle, in terms of power and speed. It's gonna get banned likely, but we then can't say we didn't try.
It is not true that everything in the meta eats up walls for breakfast. The only Pokemon that have OU-level usage that have that trait are Gholdengo, Kingambit, and Ogerpon-Wellspring, all of 3 of which a sizable portion of the community believe are major problems in the meta.
Test it for what? Kingcheap, Bustedpon, and Cheese-a-phy are still running wild. Along with Tera. Testing another UUUber is a waste of time.
i dont necessarily disagree w/ a darkrai retest in the future but i also feel like the comparison you made to flutter mane and iron bundle would probably make some people not want to unban it anytime soon
Yeah, I meant for DLC2. Not now, as that would be just plain stupid (I'd rather see a Ghold suspect than a Darkrai drop)
You sound so much like Trump it's uncanny. Always so negative and always complaining about Tera. Gambit I'll accept, but Waterpon and Manaphy seem to have been welcomed by the community, and we don't need another Stored Power tangent please and thank you
Literally nobody is going to run Hypnosis on Darkrai when iron valiant exists and is faster, has all of the moves you mentioned save for wisp and plot (wisp is another move I find pretty unlikely one would choose to spend a moveslot on on darkrai in particular.) hypnosis/nasty plot/2 attacks is comedically poor offensive coverage (and again, iron valiant is a normal part of the metagame that does this better than darkrai with the exotic64 set.) not convinced that this is better than wisp hex pult eitherI don't see why we're entertaining the idea of introducing a base 125 speed sleeper in this already-too-hostile metagame. Hypnosis has a meme-worthy 60% accuracy, sure, but deciding games on that kind of a coin-flip vs a mon that fast doesn't sound like a healthy interaction to me. Reminds me of HypnoMegaGar from ORAS Ubers minus the trapping.
Not only Hypnosis, but Darkrai has a ton of different options that'll make checking it annoying as hell, like Nasty Plot, Will-o-Wisp, Thunder Wave, Knock Off, and tera options like Poison, Ghost, or whatever else for boosting any of its coverage moves.
Bad Dreams + Tera Ghost Hex, in particular, sounds scary as hell for bulky teams to deal with, especially if you pair this with Toxic Spikes for targets other than the one that's asleep.
Darkrai @ Leftovers
Ability: Bad Dreams
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Hypnosis
- Hex
- Dark Pulse
Yeah, no thanks.
I understand gholdengo but what's wrong with dragapult exactly?
