Easy, my friend. With, almost, all of the HO mons being removed from the SV OU tier, all we REALLY have left is good Stall mons. In retrospect, Gliscor was, ironically, extremely proficient at breaking Stall with Toxic and hazards.
well, the simple answer is that we didn't. this is not "full-on stall" and i'm still primarily seeing offense. for that matter, gliscor didn't turn the tier into a stallfest either—it was a bigger buff to offensive teams for its ability to toss three layers of spikes onto the field whenever it wanted, and that made stall worse because it was forced into stuff like "6 boots" or "5 boots 1 clef" or "4 boots 1 clef 1 gliscor". calling the current meta stall-heavy is an incredibly uninformed take
I don't know how high on the ladder you are, but I can guarantee you it's not even close to being a Stall-centric meta. It is in fact still quite focused around H-stack HO teams with Samurott-H being quite the popular mon right now. The only true fat/stally mons you might face on a regular basis are Clef, Ting-Lu, Dondozo, Glowking and Amoonguss. I've tried playing Gen 8 again these past few days, and you guys must have forgotten how garbage that meta was, with fat Stall mons on every single team and bulky cores with Teleport and Wish literally everywhere, plus the neverending 16 PPs Recover and the widespread Toxic. THAT was a boring, stall-centric, repetitive meta, the one we currently have doesn't even come close to that level. Once you play Gen 8 again you honestly feel blessed with the current competitive scene.
i'm still hoping for a last-minute "quickban 'em all and let the dlc2 survey sort them out", but that would probably make people whine, so i suppose ghold if anything
Just because Gen 9 Stall doesn't share the same propensity as Gen 8 Stall doesn't mean it's any less Stall oriented. Based off what YOU mentioned, the only difference is that Teleport was removed for Gen 9, and Recovery was severely limited. That's all.
Yeah that's what I thought. I really haven't been playing much lately, but I feel like some are making way too hyperbolic statements regarding the state of OU.
Hoping for, in this order, Ghold Gambit Gliscor retest (provided Ghold is banned, don't drop gliscor otherwise)
literally just run dondozo and you beat sneasler
This is exactly right, Dondozo is like one of the safest choices possible vs Sneasler and will continue to be used on stall without changing set at all. This change is very nice for balance teams, but a certain subset of players don't know the difference
This is exactly why Tera Captain is a joke of an idea and the fact that it actually made it onto a real suspect ballot is shameful, because it favors offensive Tera users, aka already Tera's most toxic and suffocating aspect, to a ridiculous degree because they maintain their power and become impossible to defensively check, and essentially makes defensive tera aka the most interesting healthy and dynamic aspect of Tera unviable. Who looks at gen 9 HO hell and says "you know what would improve this? If only offensive mons could Tera and reactive tera was impossible"
I have to wonder, do you have to pick between a meta full of stall vs a meta full of HO? Like... can't there be a metagame where BO is just good?
Ngl, I can clearly admit I am playing around 1600 rn, and my ladder is not good. But to be honest, I've played a dozen of games this morning and faced... 8 stalls, 5 BO with Skeleridge, or Garganacl, or Unaware CM Clef.
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Skeledirge and Garganacl aren't really stall mons, what else were on the teams
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yeah but what defensive utility does volcarona bring to the metagame that moltres does not already provide? there really isnt much reason to unban it because of this, especially when we already have a defensive fire type that provides an identical defensive profile and doesnt threaten to sweep your entire team from preview on a game-to-game basis.
...what? i cant even make this message out, what are you saying? i genuinely cannot tell what point this is trying to convey.
seconded, stall has been hurting real bad this gen, especially after the gliscor ban. it is not that hard to break stall, especially not with all the new offensive tools added in SV and gholdengo being seen on 1/3 of all teams. if anyone is complaining about the playstyle (beyond it just being tiresome to play against) then they need to learn the matchup and how to teambuild properly.
Idk what you need to consider a pokemon as a defensive stall mon, but Alomomola, Corviknight, Toxapex, The weird monkey Fighting/Poison, Clefable, Blissey, Dondozo, Ting-Lu, I think that's enough no ?
Lmao what? That's literally what it means. Stall now lacks Toxic on most of their mons, Blissey has basically become a mon that fits only a specific niche as a Special Wall forced to run CM and Shadow Ball to not be completely and utterly useless during a game, Pex and Slowking no longer get Scald, there's no Ferro (which btw would completely wall Ogerpon, Manaphy, Rillaboom, potentially Gambit and even the likes of Dnite without Fire Punch and Tusk not running CC), nor Fini or Skarmory to further expand the pool of annoying mons. Furthermore, the lack of Teleport alongside the nerf to Recovery is extremely detrimental to the strategy as a whole, reducing considerably the longevity of Stall teams. They aren't just some random nerfs. You also have a mon in Gholdengo that can potentially 6-0 teams with Nasty Plot + Psyshock, so considering all of these changes it is pretty clear that Stall is nowhere near as succesfull and popular as it previously was. It can still be good and you can definitely win games with Stall teams, don't ge me wrong, but to go as far as saying that "Stall is over-centralizing" and the most relevant strategy in this meta is just straight up wrong and idiotic.
