I don't really understand this point. So what if you need to ban even 45 Pokémon to achieve a stable metagame? Gamefreak provides us with 600+ Pokemon at any given moment so banning 20 so the overall playability is vastly improved is a non issue, at least to me and I only assume the council as well.
I mean, this whole site is structured around competitive singles Pokemon. We're not going have one bad generation (and it's not like it's unplayable--it's not my thing but it's not like its an objectively bad metagame [now, i might have said differently before gliscor was banned lol]) and say "welp, gg, time to pack up" and we all move to VGC and call it good.
If we need to ban an entire second MODERN OU, id say thats too far and we fucked up somewhere. have to specify because some fuckwit will say "oh but gen wun ou had 13 mons!"
Nah, Rillaboom is going nowhere. Grassy Glide even post-nerf is insane on the Choice Band sets and a lot of stuff like the tier's many Steel types really love Grassy Terrain being everywhere. It's just not going to be an instawin 50/50 cheese enabler anymore.
I need to know how Smogon would have fucked up in this case. I know you generally post dumb shit in this thread, so i'm not expecting any kind of smart response, but still. Let alone the fact that the number of bans can also be attributed to the tiering system itself not being an awfully run shitstorm that produced stuff like Aldaron's Proposal and suspect tests taking a month+ each often times lol (fun fact: Salamence being suspect tested was talked about for at least a year from what I can tell, thats how bad the system could be back then)
They would have fucked up by making an entire tiers worth just banned. Even now i still wonder how much shit would actually be broken if bans were much more sparse. Freedom Cup was a failure because it unbanned evasion and other indisputable ills, thus messing up what couldve been a weirdly balanced meta.
Am busy looking for other unburden mons to exploit. Cant wait until sceptile can abuse grassy seed super stab grass and 19th tera blast.
Don't tell them about the Yu-Gi-Oh! banlist lol.
here's a more balanced version of that image
I'm just calling it rn, garg is gonna fuck us up
Damn you didn't disappoint with saying something dumb again lol. So, I gotta know, what actually is the threshold that would be set for a "weirdly balanced meta"? The best example we have of this is Gen 2 Snorlax, where is absolutely busted and broken as fuck, but it's presence helps the tier feel better to play for those that do play it because it's so customizable and good and heps keep other stuff in check. Now, can you actually point to what things banned in gen 9 actually would help contribute to this kind of dynamic? And before you bleat out Gliscor, people wanted that gone because they hated what it was doing to the meta, so can't say that
Ghold and Volc. Their defensive utility is, or was, much appreciated, and like G2Lax, they had offensive potential as well.
The way you're explaining this makes it seem like you're not mad about the fact that specific Pokemon were banned, but more of the fact that we just are able to ban Pokemon at all.
This isn't very true at all
ah yes, volcarona, well known for its many defensive roles, such as:
even the wisp sets ran quiver dance, volc is never not a setup sweeper in this gen
Sorry I'm late, but the council is on fire so far. Also could we see a Gholdengo suspect council? Pretty please?
freedom cup was a failure because it was fundamentally, at its core, unbalanceable. metas where bans aren't allowed always devolve into the same ultra-centralized tripe, so there's no long-term interest in them, aside from the official formats (which are crap), ag (which is crap but at least it's fun crap), and natdex ag (which has tera shedinja). it's the same reason that oubl could never work but uubers is a genuine possibility—at first glance the concepts are the same, but oubl is impossible to balance because if you tried you'd eventually end up with the exact same banlist as regular ou
I mean, Pokemon bans function are substantially differently in nuance to YGO cards.
A setup sweeper can have defensive utility, they are not mutually exclusive
you got me there, but volc didn't bring any defensive utility to the tier that wasn't provided by something else (usually named "moltres")
