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just to forecast my general opinion though i dont think mage is centralizing, i dont think it's broken, and i am voting dnb
going to echo this since I didn't realize beforehand that you are allowed to discuss the topic even without recs.Not gonna get reqs because Luck Faddering but imma drop this here.
Magearna is NOT banworthy. The reason Magearna is on every team is NOT that it is overcentralizing. The problem is that the offensive threats in this metagame, most notably Glacial Lance, Psychic Terrain and Astral Barrage, but also including some stray strategies like Dragon's Maw Dragon Energy, are overcentralizing enough in their sheer power and lack of splashable answers to force Magearna with its' stellar typing and stats onto every working defensive core.
Banning Magearna does NOT solve this problem. It does NOT aid in solving this problem. The reasonable course of action is to keep Magearna around, ban Glacial Lance (probably the most dominant of the aforementioned problems), and see how the metagame develops. Banning Magearna now would only be be detrimental to the metagame as a whole.
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STAAABmons has decided to suspect test Magearna! Magearna has been a controversial aspect of the STAAABmons metagame ever since it got unbanned when DLC 2 dropped. Its stellar bulk, amazing special attack stat and probably the best defensive typing in the game make it one of the best role compressors in the entire metagame. More offensively inclined teams that don't have the luxury of scouting Magearna's set can have big issues playing around it as the variety of abilities Magearna can run makes checking it offensively quite difficult. Perhaps the most obvious set is Assault Vest + Regenerator, which enjoys the addition of Doom Desire to Magearna's movepool, letting it act as an incredible slowpivot, particularly when paired with Dark or Fighting type breakers to punish the Fairies that come in to soak up their powerful STAB moves with a DD coming off of 130 base SPA. Sadly this is not the only set as Magearna can run various setup sets such as Sheer Force, Magic Guard, Triage and Unaware which are all dangerous in their own right. However the toughest part of Magearna is how well it carries immunity abilities. Steel/Fairy only has 2 weaknesses, those being Fire and Ground. With Flash Fire or Levitate respectively, Magearna can basically now beat half of the mons that are supposed to beat it which means it's impossible to really check Magearna offensively without dedicating multiple slots to it. This means the most reliable way of beating Magearna is doing so defensively - Haze, Whirlwind and Spectral Thief all reset setup Magearna's progress, but they tend to be passive and there aren't many viable pokemon that can run these moves (Pex, Chansey, Doublade are the most iconic).
Suspect details: During a Suspect, each player must climb the ladder until they've acquired the GXE necessary to participate in the voting. Primarily, everyone that participates needs to make an alt account following these guidelines:
- Every game must be played on the official Pokemon Showdown site and on a new account (creation date no earlier than today, December 6th) with "MSAS [Nick]"--for example, I could create one called "MSAS TNM" to ladder with.
- To qualify for voting, your alt must play a minimum of 25 games, and you must have a minimum GXE of 72.
- Magearna will be allowed on the ladder during the suspect.
- The suspect test will end on Wednesday December 16th (11:59 pm GMT+1).
- When posting proof of meeting reqs, feel free to use this thread as a means to civilly elucidate any topical opinions regarding whether or not Magearna should be banned (Optional).
- It is mandatory to provide proof of ownership of the alt account as well. (Post a picture of your reqs with your smogon name featured)
As usual, the actual voting will take place in the Blind Voting Forum, so posting anything other than proof of reqs and discussion isn't necessary.
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STAAABmons has decided to suspect test Magearna! Magearna has been a controversial aspect of the STAAABmons metagame ever since it got unbanned when DLC 2 dropped. Its stellar bulk, amazing special attack stat and probably the best defensive typing in the game make it one of the best role compressors in the entire metagame. More offensively inclined teams that don't have the luxury of scouting Magearna's set can have big issues playing around it as the variety of abilities Magearna can run makes checking it offensively quite difficult. Perhaps the most obvious set is Assault Vest + Regenerator, which enjoys the addition of Doom Desire to Magearna's movepool, letting it act as an incredible slowpivot, particularly when paired with Dark or Fighting type breakers to punish the Fairies that come in to soak up their powerful STAB moves with a DD coming off of 130 base SPA. Sadly this is not the only set as Magearna can run various setup sets such as Sheer Force, Magic Guard, Triage and Unaware which are all dangerous in their own right. However the toughest part of Magearna is how well it carries immunity abilities. Steel/Fairy only has 2 weaknesses, those being Fire and Ground. With Flash Fire or Levitate respectively, Magearna can basically now beat half of the mons that are supposed to beat it which means it's impossible to really check Magearna offensively without dedicating multiple slots to it. This means the most reliable way of beating Magearna is doing so defensively - Haze, Whirlwind and Spectral Thief all reset setup Magearna's progress, but they tend to be passive and there aren't many viable pokemon that can run these moves (Pex, Chansey, Doublade are the most iconic).
Suspect details: During a Suspect, each player must climb the ladder until they've acquired the GXE necessary to participate in the voting. Primarily, everyone that participates needs to make an alt account following these guidelines:
- Every game must be played on the official Pokemon Showdown site and on a new account (creation date no earlier than today, December 6th) with "MSAS [Nick]"--for example, I could create one called "MSAS TNM" to ladder with.
- To qualify for voting, your alt must play a minimum of 25 games, and you must have a minimum GXE of 72.
- Magearna will be allowed on the ladder during the suspect.
- The suspect test will end on Wednesday December 16th (11:59 pm GMT+1).
- When posting proof of meeting reqs, feel free to use this thread as a means to civilly elucidate any topical opinions regarding whether or not Magearna should be banned (Optional).
- It is mandatory to provide proof of ownership of the alt account as well. (Post a picture of your reqs with your smogon name featured)
As usual, the actual voting will take place in the Blind Voting Forum, so posting anything other than proof of reqs and discussion isn't necessary.
So where do we vote?REQS IS NOW CLOSED
As quoted in the initial postSo where do we vote?