Metagame Sketchmons

[Notagamer]

Mewtwo is banned as well.

Tl;dr any obvious BST giants that was autobanned to ubers that we missed should obviously be banned and will be banned. (Including the Zamazentas)

I do believe you and eggs missed dark type as well.

 

[Skieflier]

VirizIron (Iron Leaves) @ Life Orb
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Agility
- Psyblade
- Bitter Blade

I actually really like Virizion's design, so I was hyped when I saw it got a paradox form. Then I saw the stats and knew immediately it was going to get banned from UU. It does have a lot of options from coverage in sketch, as it already has access to swords dance and agility. I added bitter blade so that it can damage Corv and heal up from the LO chip. To be honest tho, I don't see this mon getting anywhere as the leaf+psyblade and close combat is usually the only coverage it needs. The only way to really add onto that is with flower trick, and even then that doesn't really do much of an increase.

 

[Notagamer]

Speaking of potential bitter blade sketchers there’s miasmaw kleavor.
Kleavor @ Life Orb
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bitter Blade/ceaseless edge/sacred sword/night slash
- X-Scissor
- Swords Dance/tidy up/dragon dance
- Stone Axe
Kleavor can sketch a wide variety of moves as seen here or just go the usual tidy up route if you don’t have a sketch move in the 4th slot.

 

[Skieflier]

Speaking of potential bitter blade sketchers there’s miasmaw kleavor.
Kleavor @ Life Orb
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bitter Blade/ceaseless edge/sacred sword/night slash
- X-Scissor
- Swords Dance/tidy up/dragon dance
- Stone Axe
Kleavor can sketch a wide variety of moves as seen here or just go the usual tidy up route if you don’t have a sketch move in the 4th slot.

Is bitter blade boosted by sharpness? I do know it isn’t boost by triage at least

 

[Notagamer]

Is bitter blade boosted by sharpness? I do know it isn’t boost by triage at least

Yes, yes it is.

 

[Skieflier]

I just one, realized Urshifu-rapid isn't banned, and two, found out headlong rush is a punching move. So that's fun
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Punching Glove
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Surging Strikes
- Swords Dance
- Headlong Rush / Jet Punch
- Drain Punch

 

[Notagamer]

I just one, realized Urshifu-rapid isn't banned, and two, found out headlong rush is a punching move. So that's fun
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Punching Glove
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Surging Strikes
- Swords Dance
- Headlong Rush / Jet Punch
- Drain Punch

Speaking of urshifus
Urshifu @ Life Orb
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance/dragon dance/tidy up
- Gigaton Hammer/iron head
- Wicked Blow
Very strong, probably gonna be banned, gigaton hammer sketch nukes most things that resist dark fighting stab, dd/tidy up can outpace other stuff.
In terms of rain threats there’s
Basculegion (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Swift Swim
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Poltergeist
- Wave Crash
- Head Smash
- Psychic Fangs
Legion gets a ghost stab yaaaaay,
Landorus (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Earth Power
- Hurricane
- Focus Blast
lando gets a flying stab edit1: reportedly sandsear storm gets full accuracy under rain so run that on rain. Edit2:rip

Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Steam Eruption
- Hurricane
- Volt Switch
- Thunder

Walking Wake @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Steam Eruption
- Hurricane
- Draco Meteor
Steam eruption is quite the strong move, pretty much any water type or electric/flying mon can sketch it to some success

 

[Skieflier]

Speaking of urshifus
Urshifu @ Life Orb
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance/dragon dance/tidy up
- Gigaton Hammer/iron head
- Wicked Blow
Very strong, probably gonna be banned, gigaton hammer sketch nukes most things that resist dark fighting stab, dd/tidy up can outpace other stuff.
In terms of rain threats there’s
Basculegion (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Swift Swim
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Poltergeist
- Wave Crash
- Head Smash
- Psychic Fangs
Legion gets a ghost stab yaaaaay,
Landorus (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Earth Power
- Hurricane
- Focus Blast
lando gets a flying stab

Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Steam Eruption
- Hurricane
- Volt Switch
- Thunder

Walking Wake @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Steam Eruption
- Hurricane
- Draco Meteor
Steam eruption is quite the strong move, pretty much any water type or electric/flying mon can sketch it to some success

I had the idea for poltergeist legion, but didn’t see any Pokémon with it so assumed it wasn’t in the game. After some research though, it appearently is. The only Pokémon that benefit from poltergeist though are legion and ceruledge tho.

 

[Notagamer]

I won with a team today so I’ll share it.
https://pokepast.es/cafb67446eb9eb9a

I added this fellow after the chien pao ban. Very strong. Gigaton hammer gives it a total nuke on anything neutral. Can also revenge kill with sucker punch. Can struggle with dondozo (and tusk) tho.

Knock sketch is awesome and epic for covert cloak and the like. Tera flying is there for ground and fighting types.

Ahh torkoal. Most grandest of sun setters. Synthesis sketch allows it some longevity. Rapid spin can remove hazards. Will o wisp is awesome and can let the offensive mons get in easier. Stealth rock is well, stealth rock.(this thing is bulky af it can live garchomp eqs)

My offensive protosynthesis mon. Tbh I could swap it for roaring moon. Torch song sketch allows it to boost its spa when clicking a fire move.

Awesome wall. With sap it can wall stuff like garchomp, great tusk, roaring moon (maybe haven’t faced it). Knock off is awesome, second rapid spin is awesome, eq has great baseline damage.

Last minute addition. Amazing breaker, focus blast sketch is there for heatran/garganacl.

 

[Notagamer]

gonna come up with options for every new fully evolved pokemon until i get bored. these should all be fairly self-explanatory.

Wall of text

: Bitter Blade, Dragon Ascent, Jungle Healing, Swords Dance
: Destiny Bond, Accelerock, Bitter Blade, Jungle Healing, Salt Cure
: Fleur Cannon, Aqua Step, Magical Torque, Headlong Rush, Tidy Up
: Gigaton Hammer, Sucker Punch, Bitter Blade
: Ceaseless Edge, Flower Trick, Bitter Blade, Trick Room
: Ceaseless Edge, Knock Off, Collision Course
: Drain Punch, Tidy Up, Cotton Guard, Mach Punch, Recover, Salt Cure
: Mach Punch, Recover
: Nasty Plot
: Eruption, Nasty Plot, Torch Song
: Accelerock, Diamond Storm, Volt Tackle
: Swords Dance, Tidy Up, Strength Sap
: Electro Drift, Sticky Web, Taunt
: Ceaseless Edge, Parting Shot, Ruination, Salt Cure, Whirlwind
: Bitter Blade, Knock Off, Nuzzle, Tidy Up
: Ceaseless Edge, Knock Off, Stone Axe, Recover, U-Turn
: Ceaseless Edge, Strength Sap
: Infernal Parade, Lumina Crash, Whirlwind
: Gigaton Hammer, Knock Off, Trick Room
: Recover
: Dragon Ascent, Headlong Rush, Gigaton Hammer, Close Combat, Diamond Storm, Wave Crash
: Jungle Healing, Tidy Up
: Infernal Parade
: Eruption, Lumina Crash
: Poltergeist, Tidy Up
: Sticky Web, Salt Cure
: Aqua Step, Final Gambit
: Dire Claw
: Boomburst, Lumina Crash
: Parting Shot, Strength Sap
: Boomburst, Trick Room
: Fleur Cannon, Strength Sap, Leech Seed
: Knock Off, U-Turn, Ceaseless Edge
: Explosion?
: Dragon Ascent, Thunderous Kick
: Stone Axe, Cotton Guard, Whirlwind
: Headlong Rush
: Scald, Steam Eruption
: Lumina Crash, Nasty Plot
: Headlong Rush, Jet Punch, Surging Strikes, Tidy Up
: Jet Punch, Swords Dance
: Recover, Leech Seed
: Poltergeist, Flower Trick

ok i'm bored now

To fill in the other mons

other fe mons that weren’t covered

boomburst
pyro ball, trick room, bitter blade, quick attack, sucker punch, u turn, dragon dance.
knock off, ceaseless edge, megahorn, nuzzle
poltergeist, u turn
tidy up, head smash, swords dance, accelerock, salt cure.
u turn, parting shot, knock off, circle throw, ceaseless edge, mortal spin, glare
volt tackle, pyro ball, knock off, headlong rush, swagger, dragon ascent
destiny bond, stone axe, knock off
will o wisp, glare
bitter blade, flower trick
focus blast, nasty plot, earth power, lumina crash
bone rush, poltergeist, pyro ball
nasty plot, electro drift, torch song
parting shot, recover
torch song, electro drift, steam eruption, dragon energy, eruption, volt switch, nasty plot
flower trick, tidy up, bitter blade, volt tackle
nasty plot, ice beam
salt cure
recover, leech seed
dragon dance, kowtow cleave, stone axe, flip turn, bitter blade, leaf blade
surging strikes, sucker punch, knock off, dire claw
wood hammer, volt tackle, swords dance, tidy up
sacred sword, bitter blade
tidy up, axe kick
flip turn, poltergeist
nasty plot, steam eruption, energy ball
recover? strength sap?
u turn, salt cure, stone axe, ceaseless edge, mortal spin
recover? Explosion? Strength sap? Wish? Recycle?
torch song, cotton guard, jungle healing
eruption, earth power, ice beam, torch song
steam eruption, rising voltage, ice beam, dragon energy, nasty plot, psystrike
Mach punch, morning sun, tidy up, diamond storm, knock off, glaive rush, gigaton hammer, bitter blade, pyro ball, headlong rush, triple arrows
nasty plot, lumina crash, steam eruption, water spout
volt switch, torch song, armor cannon, focus blast
shore up, strength sap
flower trick, volt tackle, knock off, u turn, headlong rush
volt switch, fiery wrath, electro drift, eruption, torch song, armor cannon, sludge wave, make it rain, steam eruption
fleur cannon, leaf storm, overheat, armor cannon, make it rain, headlong rush, dragon ascent
recycle, teleport, parting shot
collision course, poltergeist, strength sap, tidy up.
volt tackle, wave crash, explosion, flip turn
headlong rush, explosion, salt cure
ice beam, sludge wave, u turn, knock off, steel beam, chloroblast
ceaseless edge, bitter blade, dragon dance, kowtow cleave, sacred sword
(I know most of this stuff released after this post/is banned I just wanted to cover the whole dex)

And here’s cap fe mons and other Ubers/ags as a bonus.

capmons

headlong rush, knock off, triple axel, flower trick
poltergeist, swords dance
leaf storm, armor cannon
will o wisp, parting shot, salt cure
nasty plot, electro drift, volt switch, steam eruption, focus blast, water shuriken, lumina crash, ice beam, taunt
parting shot, teleport, stone axe, toxic, scald, salt cure, flip turn, heal bell
poltergeist, swords dance
ceaseless edge, stone axe, will o wisp, knock off, salt cure
tidy up, swords dance, final gambit, ceaseless edge
steam eruption, nasty plot, chloroblast, recover, torch song, psystrike, final gambit, lumina crash, water spout.
steam eruption, fiery wrath, make it rain, sludge wave, psystrike
parting shot, spikes, knock off, defog, will o wisp
poltergeist, diamond storm, headlong rush, pyro ball, collision course
volt switch, knock off, ceaseless edge, parting shot, earth power, steam eruption, salt cure
inferno, precipice blades, sandsear storm
will o wisp, salt cure, ceaseless edge, stone axe.
headlong rush, dragon ascent, gigaton hammer
electro drift, steam eruption, freeze dry, eruption
strength sap, recover, volt switch
headlong rush, bitter blade, collision course, jet punch, flip turn, gigaton hammer
salt cure, stone axe, ceaseless edge, mortal spin, dire claw
nasty plot, earth power, spikes, armor cannon
dragon tail, poltergeist, tidy up
torch song, armor cannon, weather ball
earthquake, population bomb, explosion, bitter blade, magical torque, mountain gale
swords dance, jet punch, bullet seed, dual wingbeat, triple axel, surging strikes, rapid spin
fling, flip turn, scald, salt cure, knock off, whirlwind
parting shot, strength sap, recover
tidy up, glaive rush, precipice blades, heal bell, u turn
bitter blade, pyro ball, tidy up, glaive rush, diamond storm, triple axel
focus blast, earth power, torch song, fiery wrath, armor cannon, revelation dance
mortal spin, teleport, parting shot, ceaseless edge, will o wisp, salt cure, dire claw, stored power, calm mind
tidy up, swords dance, dire claw, dragon ascent
power trip, recover, dire claw, triple arrows
earthquake, precipice blades, rapid spin, surging strikes, steam eruption, boomburst

other Uber/ag mons

moonblast, focus blast
ice shard, headlong rush, bitter blade, recover
/ recover, u-turn, make it rain
torch song, mortal spin, parting shot, earth power, focus blast, dragon energy, nasty plot
recover, strength sap
poltergeist, glaive rush, u turn
bitter blade, tidy up, morning sun, u turn, diamond storm
hurricane, steam eruption, volt switch, recover, energy ball, aqua step
hurricane, thunderbolt, fire blast, ice beam, rock polish
make it rain, torch song, moonblast,
ceaseless edge, stone axe, volt switch, torch song
/ dragon energy, nasty plot, steam eruption, water spout, hydro steam
glaive rush, pyro ball, bitter blade, headlong rush
torch song, nasty plot, psychic terrain, ice beam, steam eruption
moonblast, focus blast
single strike. Ceaseless edge, tidy up, gigaton hammer
rapid strike. Headlong rush, jet punch, aqua step
jungle healing, steam eruption, earth power, focus blast, electro drift
/ headlong rush, pyro ball, diamond storm, magical torque, gigaton hammer
/ strength sap, recover
rapid spin, boomburst, knock off, poltergeist, headlong rush, u turn
bug. First impression
dark. Knock off, teleport, parting shot, ceaseless edge

 

[HiZo]

Alright as we head into upkeep on this format: Urshifu (both formes), Comaphaze (Komala), Landorus-Incarnate are banned.

Plenty of posts detailing why all should be banned, so I won't go into it further.

Also welcome Career Ended to the council! They have plenty of experience in Sketch as a format last gen and will be a great addition as we try and continue the metagame for post home.

Next Steps: We look into terastallization! Since mons have multiple ways of adding coverage with sketch and/or tera blast, we might have to drop the mechanic due to the unpredictability of almost any threat. But for now I wish to hear what the public has to say before we make a decision

 

[Notagamer]

Alright as we head into upkeep on this format: Comaphaze (Komala)is banned.

Komala was already banned by eggs why did you mention it again?

 

[Schpoonman]

Is Palafin really not banned?

 

[Notagamer]

Is Palafin really not banned?

For some reason, the Bl doesn’t say it’s banned but both the tour and chall codes have -palafin in them. Also can we please ban the elephants in the room (ogerpon hearthflame, darkrai, skymin, tail glow as sketch move)

 

[Career Ended]

Update!​

Want to send a big thank you to the OM staff for picking us for the month of December, and extend a warm welcome to anyone trying out Sketchmons for the first time this month! So in anticipation of Sketchmons being the Leader's choice spotlight ladder for OMOTM the Sketchmons council has updated the banlist.

These changes include updates to both the banned Pokemon list as well as the banned move list. The new additions are as follows:

New banned Pokemon:
Baxcalibur
Cinderace
Darkrai
Gliscor
Greninja
Meowscarada
Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Palafin
Roaring Moon
Shaymin-Sky
Sneasler
Urshifu

We feel the majority of these Pokemon need no explanation for their inclusion, as they are also banned in OU currently. The inclusion of Cinderace, Greninja and Meowscarada has been one the council has been mulling over for some time, but ultimately we feel that Libero/Protean in the nature of the Sketchmons metagame is uncompetitive and banworthy. Greninja having access to Battle Bond to force a guessing game makes it entirely too strong. It's also worth mentioning that although Roaring Moon lacks access to booster energy, the tools it gets in this metagame (namely Glaive Rush, SD, coverage) offset this and thus we elected to keep it banned. Lastly, Gliscor might also seem to be acceptable in a metagame with more powerful STAB and coverage options. We still feel its defensive utility in Poison Heal, combined with its new access to plenty of strong recovery (Shore Up, Strength Sap), removal (Mortal Spin, Tidy Up) or attacking options (Precipice Blades, Stone Axe, Dragon Ascent, Jet Punch) keep it too overbearing and thus worthy of being quick banned alongside the rest of these Ubers.

Additionally, we have a couple move bans we are also implementing namely:

Ceaseless Edge
Clangorous Soul
Dire Claw
Gigaton Hammer
Lumina Crash
Tail Glow

You can read why these moves are being axed in the spoiler below:

Some reasoning

1. Ceaseless Edge alters the hazard game in this tier to an unhealthy degree due to its status as an attacking move that sets hazards available to every pokemon. Any Pokemon that doesn't 100% need a certain sketched move can always opt to run CE, because in every single game CE can be used to make progress regardless of the situation encountered. Additionally, CE bypasses two of the main players in the Hazard Game - Hatterene can't block spikes from coming up, while a Gholdengo switching in on a suspected hazard removal can instead lose a ton of health and be forced out. It also isn't stopped by Covert Cloak. CE remaining in the format worsens the hazard game to the detriment of nearly every team. The difference between CE and an option such as Stone axe comes down to Spikes stacking up to 3x where Stealth Rock are only set once.
2. Clangorous Soul giving an Omni-boost for a mere 33% is simply too strong on a variety of set up Pokemon.
3. Dire Claw offering 80 BP and 100% accuracy make it a fine coverage in its own right. It's crazy secondary effect madness is uncompetitive, especially when the 1/3 can fall on sleep and often can end the game on the spot. Although the increased viability of Covert Cloak in this metagame makes this less likely, item removal options can often rend this effort futile. Dire Claw was unanimously banned by the Sketchmons council.
4. Gigaton Hammer is too strong a move, with too little of a downside. Kingambit, Scizor, Corviknight and other abusers offer mind numbing OHKO's and damage output that isn't feasible in a competitive metagame.
5. Lumina Crash is another spammable, splashable option on the special side of the attacking spectrum. It's a really strong move that also forces any Pokemon that tries to switch into it back out with a guaranteed -2 SpDef. Abusers such as Munkidori, Hoopa and Iron Moth are all made unwallable with Lumina Crash's existence in the metagame.
6. Tail Glow offers a significant upgrade over Nasty Plot, where in one turn a Pokemon can boost their SpAtk by 3 stages. This move makes nearly every fast special attacker into a nightmare to deal with. Pokemon such as Iron Moth, Tornadus-Therian and Iron Valiant all end up becoming nuclear game ending options when allowed to boost so strong, so quickly and a bevy of Pokemon would simply take their place if allowed to run Tail Glow.

Including the full current banlist here as well:

Current Banlist

The following Pokemon are banned and cannot be used. New additions are bolded and italicized
Annihilape
Arceus
Baxcalibur
Calyrex-Ice
Calyrex-Shadow
Chien-Pao
Chi-Yu
Cinderace
Darkrai
Dialga
Dragapult
Enamorus
Espathra
Eternatus
Giratina
Gliscor
Groudon
Greninja
Flutter Mane
Iron Bundle
Komala
Koraidon
Kyogre
Landorus
Magearna
Meowscarada
Mewtwo
Miraidon
Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Palafin
Palkia
Rayquaza
Regieleki
Roaring Moon
Scovillain
Shaymin-Sky
Sneasler
Spectrier
Urshifu (Both formes)
Zacian
Zamazenta

The following moves are restricted and can't be sketched, only Pokemon that normally learn them can use them.

Astral Barrage
Belly Drum
Ceaseless Edge
Clangorous Soul
Dire Claw
Extreme Speed
Fillet Away
Gigaton Hammer
Glacial Lance
Last Respects
Lumina Crash
No Retreat
Quiver Dance
Rage Fist
Revival Blessing
Shell Smash
Shed Tail
Shift Gear
Tail Glow
Transform
V-Create
Victory Dance
Wicked Blow

The following moves are banned and cannot be used, even on native learners.

Baton Pass
Last Respects
Shed Tail


Also note that Sleep Moves Clause and OHKO Clause ban all sleep-inducing and OHKO moves.


The following abilities are banned and cannot be used.
Arena Trap
Magnet Pull
Moody
Shadow Tag
Stench


The following items are banned and cannot be held.
King's Rock
Booster Energy

Finally, here are some things we will be monitoring closely as the meta develops.

Current Watchlist

Pokemon:
Dondozo
Gholdengo
Iron Valiant
Kingambit
Ting-Lu

Moves:
Dragon Energy
Eruption
Mortal Spin
Salt Cure
Tidy Up
Torch Song
Water Spout

The wonderful Eggs has updated the OP to include all of this information as well. Happy holidays!

Tagging Kris to implement changes, thanks!

 

[HiZo]

Manaphy is now banned from Sketchmons!

Manaphy turned out to be an immense threat thanks to its two incredibly powerful set up options. Tail Glow sets can run either Freeze Dry to have almost no defensive switchins or Water Shuriken to prevent pokemon from revenge killing after setting up to +3. Take Heart sets on the other hand can run moves like Strength Sap in order to prolong its longevity and be incredibly hard to take down. It is a set up sweeper than can pick and choose what it loses to and one misplay from the opponent can let Manaphy steamroll through, making it a rather unhealthy presence.

Tagging Kris to implement ty

 

[ToiriX]

Dondozo is broken

If anyone needs a team, here's one that's been doing well on ladder so far.

Immediate thoughts:
- Dondozo is broken. Thing does not die unless you have a cheese set or edrift gholdengo
- Dragonite seems a bit overbearing. 100 ways to kill you and it'll probably be espeed anyway
- I don't love tera. It's a fun gimmick to have protean on any move, but I feel it's a little too much in a meta like this

 

[Hightide]

played a good amount of ladder games, here's some fun stuff i've been using

Lilligant-Hisui @ Life Orb
Ability: Hustle
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Victory Dance
- Flower Trick
- Close Combat
- Ice Spinner

ban this thing. jesus christ please get rid of it right now. did we not learn our lesson from stabmons.

Muk-Alola @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Gunk Shot
- Salt Cure
- Poison Fang

the only thing more fun than av muk sets are non-passive av muk sets. this man will singlehandedly save you from getting 6-0'd by walking wake on sun teams and just give you a free switch in to every special attacker without earth power while also pouring salt on whatever tries to sit in on it. you can replace poison fang with something else if you're lame but i love the 50% toxic chance. pair with alomomola for best results

Sandy Shocks @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Volt Switch
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam

delicious offensive sr lead. i get that hazard stacking is probably just better in most cases but i love this stab combo with ice beam too much. it's basically unresisted and it's funny to just bean garchomp leads that think they're safe

also i agree dondozo's kinda broken

 

[Skieflier]

How come Ceaseless Edge is banned but stone axe is not? I know spikes can be stacked over time making the move much more spammable, but rocks does have the benefit of hitting all Pokémon and still getting around hazard counterplay.

 

[Notagamer]

How come Ceaseless Edge is banned but stone axe is not? I know spikes can be stacked over time making the move much more spammable, but rocks does have the benefit of hitting all Pokémon and still getting around hazard counterplay.

The basic summery is that spikes are bigger torture then sr, and the sr advantages don’t really matter with the metagame being as it is. (I.e the list of flying types not running boots is somewhat low, the list of other sr weak Pokémon is also somewhat low being basically confined to torkoal and maybe moth)

 

[ponchlake]

You've probably heard this complant already but Tera is way too busted in this tier.



Just using examples from the watchlist, being able to slap on a 150 BP move like Dragon Energy or Water Spout and being able to Tera into that type and get STAB off of it is quite ridiculous. The fact that you have access to almost every move in the game means that Tera is way swingier and the random factor goes up all the way to 11 since you can run just about any offensive move like I said. On the opposite side of it any mon gaining recovery options means that Tera for set-up sweepers is also equally as ridiculous. Anyways short rant from me but yeah I think Tera is just way too much in this tier

 

[babytron]

fun set, won some games with it by itself
Corviknight (Corviknight) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Take Heart
- Power Trip
- Roost

 

[ponchlake]

I've played like a hundred games already, so I'm gonna give my very early thoughts on the meta so far (excluding Tera since I already spoke on it)


Yanmega is pretty annoying right now namely because of Torch Song, which is also pretty cracked on just about everything else you can slap it onto like Iron Moth. Yanmega is just a product of Tera being Tera and Torch Song being busted as hell. I think Torch Song is just quite silly right now, and it probably needs to go at some point.


Something that shouldn't go at some point rather as soon as possible is Dragonite. This thing is an absolute crutch and can steal wins it has no right doing. It's not even immediately apparent what the set is going to be when you run into it because it can be DD + Dragon Ascent or SD. Either way it has Tera Normal and Espeed obliterates most things. This thing is a nightmare to face and build around. I think this needs to be one of the first things to be hit.


This thing is just silly. It has recovery now and it can just win on the spot at times because it tanks everything while setting up + it can just Tera out of any sticky situations. You can easily slap this team onto a balance or BO and have it infinitely wall just about any physical attacker they'll have. Don't even get me started on this thing on stall. I think Dondozo needs to ASAP similarly to Dragonite.


It's really powerful offensively and quite annoying, but it's not that bad compared to everything else right now. The variety of moves it can run does make it really annoying, but I think this can possibly wait for later. I wouldn't mind if some tiering action happened sooner or later with this.


Rain is also strong AF. I don't know how you'd go about nerfing this besides Basculegion or Barrskewda hits, but I think Rain is honestly a little overwhelming. Jet Punch is also quite silly, and when you pair it with Rain.. it becomes extra goofy.


Screens HO is also quite silly IMO. Again not sure how you'd combat this unless we wanna ban Light Clay. I think this is something you hold off on and try to nerf indirectly like say through Tera or something adjacent to that.


This thing does too much damage. STAB Water Spout or Dragon Energy is silly. Please ban this.

 

[pandatwink]

Mew @ Grip Claw
Ability: Synchronize
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Sand Tomb
- Salt Cure
- Taunt
- Rest

extremely stupid, borderline deadweight in most matchups, but if your wincon is to snipe their one unaware mon so your belly drum sweeper can click the win button, this is how you do it.

 

[Cheapoman]

Mew @ Grip Claw
Ability: Synchronize
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Sand Tomb
- Salt Cure
- Taunt
- Rest

extremely stupid, borderline deadweight in most matchups, but if your wincon is to snipe their one unaware mon so your belly drum sweeper can click the win button, this is how you do it.

Why not infestation over sand tomb? Infestation can hit flying types and nothing is immune to it.