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SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics
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Welp, going to bed, see ya 
Looking at the new pokemon egg groups and...
Why is Fuecoco in the field egg group? Perfect opportunity to put a fire type in water 1 and they put it in field...
Why is Fuecoco in the field egg group? Perfect opportunity to put a fire type in water 1 and they put it in field...
Egg groups are pretty irrelevant these days considering that 99% of casual players only bother breeding Pokemon with Ditto.
Not to mention that getting "Egg Moves" has been completely reworked. I mean, how are we supposed to get Quiver Dance on Oricorio before this change?
Alligators are mammals, just like salamanders and acorns.
Speaking of Oricorio, are the items to change its form in this game, or do we have to catch them in a specific form like other Pokemon that formerly had changeable forms? (RIP Deerling)
This paste by slp32 shows that both Oricorio-Baile and Oricorio-Pom-Pom can be found in the wild (in different areas), and both of these have a (small) chance to hold their respective Nectars when caught. That means that if you have an Oricorio of another form that you want to change to its Baile or Pom-Pom Styles, you can definitely get the Nectars this way and use them to change an Oricorio you already have, at least to those two forms!
I can't attest to Pink Nectar or Purple Nectar, but I would guess that they still exist through the Delibird shops or the auction or a similar place? This could use external confirmation, because it doesn't look like these forms can be found natively.
No more postgame-locked Sensu Style!
Do we have the purchase prices of the new battle items?
I wish Oricorio had gotten new coverage options this gen, even though I'm not sure what move options would fit it. It is in a similar situation as Rotom, since GF don't want to give it more moves that match the types of its forms. So it isn't likely to ever get Heat Wave, like so many other Flying-type special attackers do otherwise. Maybe Petal Dance could've been added as an egg move too?
Icy Wind is definitely not the worst coverage option though, especially in doubles where Oricorio makes better use of Dancer anyway.
Icy Wind is definitely not the worst coverage option though, especially in doubles where Oricorio makes better use of Dancer anyway.
Noone really compiled a list since we just went there to check, but it fluctuates between 5 and 100k notDollars.
They're not really going to be something you'll reaaaally have during the plot, but pretty easy to acquire in postgame all things considered.
It got Tera Blast, that's all the coverage you can ever want
In Oricorio's case, Revelation Dance is actually better than Tera Blast at doing the same thing
would it ever really need anything other than Quiver Dance, Revelation Dance, flying stab and Tera Blast?
Okay I spent way too long having picnics, making egg power sandwiches, and hatching eggs today.
First I wanted to test varying combos of gender and egg group. Everything works fine.
Team 1:
Will breed both Happiny and Flabebe.
Team 2:
Will breed Cacnea (duh) but I can't tell from who. Probably both though based on Ditto.
Team 3:
Will breed both Gastly and Larvesta. This is anecdotal, but I got 7 Gastly eggs before I got a single Larvesta. My theory is egg generation at the picnic takes into account the mother's (or non-ditto's) base egg cycle.
If you have a Ditto in the party, you'll get eggs from any other breedable party member. This does not appear to prefer a certain gender of breeding partner.
For Team 2 I tried using everstones on both males to see which was the father of each egg, but it doesn't work. If you have 2 everstones in the party, nothing will breed. If you combine Team 1 and Team 2 in your party with everstones on Team 2, nothing will breed on either team, even though they don't cross over in egg groups. Practically, why would you need two everstones at once, I don't know. This might be the case for 2 destiny knots or 2 mirror herbs as well. I don't have any of those to test, though.
For Team 3, I also tried putting an everstone on Volcarona, and unlike before, I could only hatch Larvesta. So everstones preserve species as well as nature.
When you get an egg, it goes directly to the last box you viewed (maybe interacted with?). They don't automatically fill the party. I wonder if they will if all boxes are full?
For hatching, I've seen "15 seconds" of walking thrown around. Definitely not always. Hatching Larvesta took almost two minutes. I think this is your standard egg steps thing, just greatly abbreviated. Here's an example with a party of Cacnea eggs:
My guess is that a single egg cycle is 20 steps and when walking the same species' eggs they all reach hatching point at the same time, as if the random egg steps apply equally to the same species in the party, and then it requires one cycle between successive hatches.
Finally, the hatch animation will be in the overworld unless the player is in bad location (eg. next to a wild mon, on a steep slope). Then it will use a hatch screen like previous games.
First I wanted to test varying combos of gender and egg group. Everything works fine.
Team 1:
| Chansey | F | fairy (egg group) |
| Floette | F | fairy |
| Wigglytuff | M | fairy |
Team 2:
| Cacturne | F | human/grass |
| Gardevoir | M | human/amorphous |
| Grimmsnarl | M | human/fairy |
Team 3:
| Haunter | F | amorphous |
| Muk | M | amorphous |
| Volcarona | F | bug |
| Forretress | M | bug |
If you have a Ditto in the party, you'll get eggs from any other breedable party member. This does not appear to prefer a certain gender of breeding partner.
For Team 2 I tried using everstones on both males to see which was the father of each egg, but it doesn't work. If you have 2 everstones in the party, nothing will breed. If you combine Team 1 and Team 2 in your party with everstones on Team 2, nothing will breed on either team, even though they don't cross over in egg groups. Practically, why would you need two everstones at once, I don't know. This might be the case for 2 destiny knots or 2 mirror herbs as well. I don't have any of those to test, though.
For Team 3, I also tried putting an everstone on Volcarona, and unlike before, I could only hatch Larvesta. So everstones preserve species as well as nature.
When you get an egg, it goes directly to the last box you viewed (maybe interacted with?). They don't automatically fill the party. I wonder if they will if all boxes are full?
For hatching, I've seen "15 seconds" of walking thrown around. Definitely not always. Hatching Larvesta took almost two minutes. I think this is your standard egg steps thing, just greatly abbreviated. Here's an example with a party of Cacnea eggs:
Code:
Hatch 1 39sec (sprinting Koraidon) ~550 trainer steps 2:15 on foot
Hatch 2 ~2sec 20 steps
Hatch 3 ~2sec 20 steps
Hatch 4 ~2sec 20 steps
Hatch 5 ~2sec 20 steps
After reset, Hatch 1 took 1:28 on Koraidon or ~1240 steps.
Next reset, it took 0:56 or ~790 steps.Finally, the hatch animation will be in the overworld unless the player is in bad location (eg. next to a wild mon, on a steep slope). Then it will use a hatch screen like previous games.
TR Hatterene, Clodsire, Meowscarada, Great Tusk, potentially Grimmsnarl, Corviknight.
Croc definitely is not bad. But it's meta dependent. It can effortlessly wall a lot of threats with a bulky spread. But it will require a lot of use for things like Iron Valiant, Iron Hands, Cetitan and so on to be worth using. But Meowscarada is definitely more splash able given the HO lean
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Also, why is Cetoddle not a baby Pokémon? GameFreak is pretty inconsistent with the Baby Pokémon classification, but I think Cetoddle fits perfectly in that group.
Really interesting, thanks for posting your findings! So having two Everstones cancel each other. Also if it preserves species, I guess it can also preserve form (like before).
I wonder what is the mechanism of the Destiny Knot though. Could you have it on one Pokémon in the breeding party and transfer the IVs to an "incompatible" partner? Example: Destiny Knot in a perfect Larvesta in Team 3, would that pass the IVs to the Gastly?
I’ve read up to page 327 but maybe someone can help me…
I want an all bird team and can someone tell me how early on I can get these mons and where to find them? I’m trying to plan the best route to take from the beginning to get my birds as soon as possible.
Rookidee
Oricorio (Baile)
Fletchling (wait is he in SV?)
Quaxly will be my starter for sure and gonna grab Wattrel too! But I need my loves Corviknight and Oricorio. I’m so sad my baby boy Pidove isn’t in this game (or is he?!).
I want an all bird team and can someone tell me how early on I can get these mons and where to find them? I’m trying to plan the best route to take from the beginning to get my birds as soon as possible.
Rookidee
Oricorio (Baile)
Fletchling (wait is he in SV?)
Quaxly will be my starter for sure and gonna grab Wattrel too! But I need my loves Corviknight and Oricorio. I’m so sad my baby boy Pidove isn’t in this game (or is he?!).
Any pokemon that isn't a legendary or a paradox can be obtained as soon as you're out of the tutorial bit if you're willing to scout the map a bit.
None of the ones you mentioned are particularly rare, either.
Don't you need to unlock the other forms of your ride pokémon to access certain areas?
No, ofc it's a bit slower to get around without fly, climb and swim, but all the areas are accessible right away.
There are obviously spots caves and islands that arent accessible but they usually just hide splinters for the leges or fully evolved raid pokes, their pre evos will still be available in the freely accessible bits.
Btw, something funny I just realized looking at version exclusives...
For most of them (not all, but most) the non-paradox equivalent is version exclusive of the other version.
Es, salamence and mismagius are violet exclusive, while hydreigon and tyranitar are scarlet exclusive.
I wonder if that is intentional...
For most of them (not all, but most) the non-paradox equivalent is version exclusive of the other version.
Es, salamence and mismagius are violet exclusive, while hydreigon and tyranitar are scarlet exclusive.
I wonder if that is intentional...
People have asked if the new pokemon will be on showdown day 1 which is a good question but here's a better one:
When will the new Pokémon be added to the damage calculator?
When will the new Pokémon be added to the damage calculator?
