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Research Scarlet & Violet Battle Mechanics Research
- Thread starter Marty
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What actually is Stellar, like under the hood? Is it actually a new type or is it just a state a Pokemon can be in?
It's implemented as a type for tera, but it has lots of special code handling. It has a regular type icon too (round borders, not pointy like the tera one) but idk where it would be used.
Btw it was pointed out to me that my move dump didn't have all the move descs updated, so if you copied it earlier, copy it again :P
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The move info panel for Stellar Tera Blast and Starstorm?
How does Stellar Tera interact with Adaptability?
There’s an oversight from the developers’ part where Aura Wheel still works only on Morpeko, but it can still be Sketched.
I am not surprised that the Torque moves cannot be Sketched, but I am surprised that is also the case for Revival Blessing. Methinks Smeargle would be too much for VGC if allowed to use Revival Blessing so GF prevents it from Sketching it as a precaution.
Adaptability can essentially never work with Stellar Tera because both the base type and tera type need to match for Adaptability to work, but no Pokémon can have the Stellar type as a base type.
I thought Adaptability could boost moves of your current tera type, and if it doesn't match the base it just goes from 1.5x to 2x. Either way, Anubis's post mentioning that both Stellar Tera Blast and Double-Edge don't seem to maintain the Adaptability boost imply that Adaptability doesn't take effect over Stellar, probably because you don't actually become the Stellar type for all purposes so you don't get STAB on it anyway.
Ah right, my bad. My brain is a bit fried on all this STAB stuff lol.
Hi. A few interesting tests this time.
Zoroark's Illusion is leaked by disguising as a Terapagos, because it appears as the baby low stats form. If Zoroark Terastallizes while disguised as Terapagos, the Illusion completely breaks (the Illusion faded message) in the same manner as Zoroark Terastallizing as Ogerpon.
In other Illusion-related news, Zoroark's Illusion fades if it Terastallizes while disguised as an Ogerpon even if it has the correct Tera Type for the disguise's mask. For example. Tera Fire Zoroark activating Tera with a Hearthflame disguise still fades the Illusion. This wasn't explicitly confirmed in the thread earlier and it was an easy test, so I checked this one off while doing the above Terapagos tests.
This one isn't related to Indigo Disk at all, but it was very interesting and I had to check it out: Future Sight attacks can be Endured in Scarlet and Violet. It appears that this does not match the current Showdown implementation, shown in this replay using the same Pokemon. Thanks to Brromo over on Reddit for the idea here.
Hope this helps.
Zoroark's Illusion is leaked by disguising as a Terapagos, because it appears as the baby low stats form. If Zoroark Terastallizes while disguised as Terapagos, the Illusion completely breaks (the Illusion faded message) in the same manner as Zoroark Terastallizing as Ogerpon.
In other Illusion-related news, Zoroark's Illusion fades if it Terastallizes while disguised as an Ogerpon even if it has the correct Tera Type for the disguise's mask. For example. Tera Fire Zoroark activating Tera with a Hearthflame disguise still fades the Illusion. This wasn't explicitly confirmed in the thread earlier and it was an easy test, so I checked this one off while doing the above Terapagos tests.
This one isn't related to Indigo Disk at all, but it was very interesting and I had to check it out: Future Sight attacks can be Endured in Scarlet and Violet. It appears that this does not match the current Showdown implementation, shown in this replay using the same Pokemon. Thanks to Brromo over on Reddit for the idea here.
Hope this helps.
Electro Shot is basically overpowering, but with Sheer Force, it's completely broken.
100% of all advantages which accumulate and 0 disadvantages.
(The stat increase - most likely hardcoded - is not even cancelled by ability)
So I learn from this that :
- The Sheer Force flag is manually set for each ability by Game Freak. There is no automatic detection.
- And hard-coded additional effects escape the ability radar. So, to deactivate them, you'll need to think about hardcoding them too.
In short, Sheer Force is a gas factory at Game Freak and has a lot of balancing issues (like the pseudo Mold Breaker effect that in some situations... cripple the target!).
The moves excluded from the Tera BP boost were updated to include Hard Press, which isn't surprising. That's the only change I see.
bullied another smeargle, it works if the triage user is slower since both moves would be in the +3 priority bracket
I wonder what happened to
TYPENAME_019...
they just seemed to skip the number 9 in general
I suppose this technically counts as a mechanic and needs documenting.
Transferring Pokemon from HOME to Scarlet/Violet appears to only check if the move is in the Pokemon's learnset and doesn't do a cross check against whether or not it can have it at that level. Tested this with a level 25 Porygon from Sword, taught it the TR for Tri Attack, and transferred it into Scarlet where it was able to know Tri Attack as a transfer move despite being 20 levels too early.
Transferring Pokemon from HOME to Scarlet/Violet appears to only check if the move is in the Pokemon's learnset and doesn't do a cross check against whether or not it can have it at that level. Tested this with a level 25 Porygon from Sword, taught it the TR for Tri Attack, and transferred it into Scarlet where it was able to know Tri Attack as a transfer move despite being 20 levels too early.
That's how it's supposed to work.
Speaking of not-really-competitive-relevant mechanics, since I noticed a weird interaction with Dragon Cheer, I am curious if it has some weird quirk.
As I stated in the raid thread, in raids it can be only used once, after which you get a "But it failed" message even if all 3 allies died and thus don't have the buff anymore.
(event sequence: I use Dragon Cheer t1, animation and buffs apply correctly, all 3 allies die within a couple turns, I attempt to use it again and get the failed message)
What exactly is Dragon Cheer checking to determine if it's successful?
As I stated in the raid thread, in raids it can be only used once, after which you get a "But it failed" message even if all 3 allies died and thus don't have the buff anymore.
(event sequence: I use Dragon Cheer t1, animation and buffs apply correctly, all 3 allies die within a couple turns, I attempt to use it again and get the failed message)
What exactly is Dragon Cheer checking to determine if it's successful?
Does Sheer Force let Electro Shot skip the charging turn, or is that still restricted to Rain weather?
No allies, maybe?
Weakness Policy won't proc because the move isn't super effective. The ability has priority.
so we know from testing that psychic noise is boosted by sheer force. what about upper hand and alluring voice? i checked the move dump, but the sheer force flag there only seems to be set for moves that wouldn't otherwise be boosted by sheer force (moves like fire punch lack it, while it's set for moves like spirit shackle). alluring voice i ask about primarily because burning jealousy is sheer force-boosted, so it seems like it should be too.