I agree that Tangela to be at least
C-. There actually different 3 high rank players using Tangela, PIF, Rack MC and a gay used a team changed from PIF stall (I know these since I really like watching replays). These players used different sets (basically exchange between sleep powder and knock off) but all of these sets did great job in their teams. I think PIF has done enough explanation how good Tangela is in his post. I don't understand why a mon which is used by several good players, has great ability to check several popular threats, has multiple functions for teams should be unranked, while some mons which only shined in some low rank games are still ranked in C.
I agree with Moltres rise as well. People have mentioned that how it benefit from the May drop in their posts. I currently use spd defensive defog Moltres:
Moltres @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpA / 232 SpD / 20 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost
- Hurricane
It is really good. As a defogger, it can switch in and take the scald from two main water type rocker, Swampert and Empoleon. Pressure will make the rock and scald used faster than defog and roost. Here is a replay showing this ability
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-411874891
Other popular rockers (Spikers) like Celebi, Mega aggron, Bronzong, Chesnaught, Forretress, Gligar can be all easily countered.
Nidoqueen, Metagross depend on the set, but most of the time Moltres can handle them.
As a spd wall, here is some calcu:
Spec modest
Sylveon can only do 35% with Hyper Voice and 43% with Psyshock.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 4 Def Moltres: 139-164 (36.2 - 42.8%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Moltres: 114-134 (29.7 - 34.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Hydreigon can't touch it without hax:
252 SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Moltres: 169-199 (44.1 - 51.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (Scarf)
252+ SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Moltres: 242-285 (63.1 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (spec)
Even the taunt set can hardly win a moltres
4 SpA Moltres Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Hydreigon: 157-186 (48.3 - 57.2%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO
Even those popular electric type mons can not really touch it, for example
Rotom-H, for a non-spec set, moltres can just click roost and let rotoms V-switch away
252 SpA Choice Specs Rotom-H Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Moltres: 308-366 (80.4 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (Spec)
Another function is the wall break. Everybody know that Will-O-Wisp makes walls uncomfortable. Give a Will-O-Wisp to a Milotic, Alomomola or P2 can make games easier, here are some replays I played with PIF (Our best best stall player) and Rack MC (The second best imo), Motres played really important role in all of them. I think it is enough to indicate its wall break ability:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-413724266
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-420737385
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-420750296
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-422360303
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-422843697
Therefore, I think Moltres deserves a
B-
Besides, I am not agree with the drop of
Qwilfish, I think it is still a
B- mon. This is the reason for its drop:
- Qwilfish moved down from B- to C+ (Exactly the same situation as Slowking. Its niche is nowhere near as valuable as it used to be in the past)
As I remembe, 'it's niche' for the sentence above is the T-wave spike taunt set. But I still think its a good stall breaker for the set below:
Qwilfish @ Eject Button
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Poison Jab
- Scald
- Pain Split
- Spikes
Just ignore the item I used for trapping things (because people told me a niche which needs other mons cooperate can't be seen as its own value XD)
As those 3 replays shown above, Qwilfish has great advantage against Blissey stall, Tox immunity and pain split are great things toward stall.
I used mix set (Poison Jab +Scald )so that it won't be set up bag for sub Gyarados and Feraligatr and scald burns are always noteworthy.
It is also good against offensive team, can wall and hit lots of threats, but I am now tired to write about, here is another replay with PIF (He is also good as a HO player imo):
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uususpecttest-402808124