I love how "Nobody complained about no find tab 3 years ago either" is considered an argument. Its called getting with the times.
Look at what I did not reply to. It has either been already answered, or is factually correct/I do not need to reply in general.Correct about everything? Anything that he couldn't respond to, he called retarded and claimed that retarded things weren't worth his time. By this logic, all I have to do is point out one typo and his entire argument falls apart. He assaults people for posting something contradictory to his argument despite the fact that he posted far after them.
So I'm going to break down this little by little.Oh, and to claim that we are being unfair to NB because we gave Shoddy time to improve actually is retarded. If NB came out years ago, and had absolutely no competition that was already developed very well, it may be worth our time. The difference is, if we wanted competitive Pokemon at all, Shoddy was our only option. However, if we want a Pokemon sim now, we can choose the far superior Shoddy to NB, unless of course we want double battles, which everyone already acknowledged to be NB's only advantage.
I don't see the point personally, this isn't "d/p/pt wifi on a computer".Since we are trying to stay true in in game mechanics, we have decided to use restricted IVs for pokemon who can't be gotten through breeding.Shoddy: Very messy team builder, You can easily forget things, Ivs have to be lowered (See my hp ice zapdos example) to use hidden powers on certain pokes. IV restriction in general is fucking stupid and a waste of time. "Typing in EVS/IVs" is possibly the only thing shoddy has over netbattle.
Netbattle: Much cleaner, hard to forget things except maybe hidden powers, which people forget on shoddy anyways. Illegal move restrictions (Pursuit + SD snorlax is the most common example i've seen). "Sliding EV bar" is "bad and waste of time boohoo", EVs is restricted to 510 max unlike shoddy where you can go over.
Oh, and you cant use a team if it has more than 510 Evs on a pokemon.
Why would i need to look at another window when I can just look at it on the same screen as my battle??Yes however while building a team you can go over, which for me is personally annoying but I won't dwell on this for hours, people may or may not agree.
There are some online, I don't see how this feature makes it "better"Shoddy: No built in calculator
Netbattle: Built in calculator
once again this is more personally annoying to me, besides the fact if you open another netbattle its the exact same thing as having the shoddy team builder open and the server.I don't see how this is a problem. Sometimes, I am editing a team from 1 tier whilst playing in another tier. Plus I have multiple OU teams and like to look at them all at once.Shoddy: The stupid fuck feature of needing to select the option "Use this team" in order to preserve the team you want to use.
Netbattle: Uses the team you just loaded and keeps it like that.
How is that not an advantage? Part of the mechanics that can be possibly used for battles (ex. shiftry in uu can earthquake with sand terrain in uu), are absent.1. You can't state it is an advantage if it doesn't work yet.Shoddy: iirc you cannot set terrain, therefore nature power will not work
Netbattle: Will work
2. We use Nature Power as it works on Wi-fi.
Its an advantage shoddy has that netbattle doesnt have. Basically: smogon's CAPDon't fully understand thisShoddy: Has a "modify-able" database for pokemon for anyone
Netbattle: Has a modifyable database, only for moves however. Scripting can fix the other part, i.e. ubers and etc.
Ok thank you for correcting that.Ladder wasn't built in, it has to be made for each server. Also, stats aren't built in. All that happens is that at the beginning of the battle, unseen to both players, the server saves their teams with their battle log, from which doug's script goes through to make the stats.Shoddy: ladder + statistics built in
Netbattle: Ladder and statistics are scriptable, with the latter being able to be scripted in about 30 minutes maximum. Both will be added later in the future.
Point taken, regardless to the fact I've seen alot of people go "it's easier to add all 4 gens to shoddy than 1 to netbattle", where are the 4 gens on shoddy?OK, and how much longer has Netbattle been around to have those things built in?Shoddy: 1 generation
Netbattle: all generations + things such as true gsc, 200, and rby with trades
Yes I agree, which is why I hope bayleef will add it laterNo, but it is a nice featureShoddy: Has the find battle tab.
Netbattle: No find battle tab, but noone complained about this 3 years ago now did they?
This is new to me since I did not know that was around (since I don't go on shody)Anti-flood-bot says "Hi"
They are used to emphasize the point.you dont need to use caps to make your pointShoddy: You cannot scroll UP THE CHATBOX, because if someone says something in main chat it goes to bottom.
Netbattle: CAN FREELY SCROLL CHAT
This is a compare/contrast of pro's and cons of both sides, I'm not saying open source is better/closed source is better.and how does that make Netbattle better? I've always viewed open source as better.Shoddy: open source, granted you cannot do much with it unless "DougJustDoug" wants to use your slim # of lines of source code.
Netbattle: Closed source.
I've seen alot of complaints (outside of this post and shoddy), either you have a good computer, you are used to it, or it isn't slow for you.Shoddy's interface is very fast and clean for meShoddy: Slow interface
Netbattle: Clean and fast interface.
Then disable voice chat.I don't want to talk to the people I fightShoddy: No voice chat
Netbattle: Voice Chat
How does insulting your OS lead to someone "not caring about you"?Also, I happen to like Macs and the fact that you seem to not care about me means that I have lost some respect for you. Don't insult others computer preference when they have their own reasons. I know for a fact that My mac gets everything I need to done and i do not see a need to get a Windows just to use a pokemon simulator.
Besides DougJustDoug's work and colins, what "HUGE BREAKTHROUGHS" have been accomplished?I don't see how you can't do anything with the source of shoddy. Please explain.
I don't see how it can't be considered an argument.I love how "Nobody complained about no find tab 3 years ago either" is considered an argument. Its called getting with the times.
As far as I'm concerned the ladder is horribly designed. Glicko proves nothing but how much you can whore your playtime. Elo > Glicko.There is not a ladder, this makes to decrease of a lot of the motivations to use NB, aspect that a ladder is inserted for being able to play to Netbatte with greater continuity, therefore continuous to use SB for an only motivation: the ladder.
Huh? Shoddy's style is way easier to use and to understand. 30 minutes? I'll take that as sarcasim. I really can't see placing 252/ 96/ 160 in appropriate slots could be so difficult or 252/252/4. The only nice thing net battle has is where you can typing in the moves you want.How can anyone hate the sliding bars? That has the be the most convient thing about team building. I can make a team in less than 5 minutes. In shoddy, it takes me almost 30 mins just to do EV's alone..
No sarcasm, and... the sliding bar is easier than manually. How hard is it to understand? On my first day of netbattle, i did it with no problem. So tell me, how does typing your EV's manually have an advantage of using the slider?Huh? Shoddy's style is way easier to use and to understand. 30 minutes? I'll take that as sarcasim. I really can't see placing 252/ 96/ 160 in appropriate slots could be so difficult or 252/252/4. The only nice thing net battle has is where you can typing in the moves you want.
Where the hell did this comment come from?Shoddy: open source, granted you cannot do much with it unless "DougJustDoug" wants to use your slim # of lines of source code.
Netbattle: Closed source.
I can't say this is a good thing, really. For one, Shoddy is set to have a building/Wi-Fi terrain. Then, any other terrain could give one of the players an advantage that Wi-Fi doesn't have, since one could for example set the terrain to Snow/very tall grass to inflict 60% freeze/sleep with their Jirachi/Togekiss or even Blissey with Secret PowerShoddy: iirc you cannot set terrain, therefore nature power will not work
Netbattle: Will work
Ok I think you are taking what I said wrong.Let me clarify something about my involvement with Shoddy Battle -- I didn't write Shoddy Battle. I don't "own" Shoddy Battle. I don't control Shoddy Battle. So, your implication above that I somehow approve or deny changes all changes to Shoddy source code is patently false. You can change whatever you want, and you can use it. In fact, that's EXACTLY what I do.
They can use darwine/a virtual pc if they are on a mac, and they can use WINE on a linux, this whole "WINDOWS ONLY THEREFORE IT SUCKS" arguement is just a lack of research.Noone is descriminating Mac/Linux users. They can always use emu's.
It doesnt matter who I am, as far as I and they are concerned I am just a user on this siteDoug, you really don't know who he is?
As I said...It doesn't really matter. The reason belongs to facts, not to people.
Other than the fact that NetBattle's interface is better, it has an easier team builder, and better battle logs, I have no idea. :/If it is, I don't see why people would choose netbattle over Shoddy then.
That, and most (more accurately all) of Shoddy's features sucks. Plus more people prefer NB anyways.Other than the fact that NetBattle's interface is better, it has an easier team builder, and better battle logs, I have no idea. :/
That, and most (more accurately all) of Shoddy's features sucks. Plus more people prefer NB anyways.
Uhh; someone made a very long list. Read the thread. ;DPlease explain to me how and why all of Shoddy's features suck compared to NetBattle.
There's no need for me to repeat what was already said. Go back a page and lurk.Please explain to me how and why all of Shoddy's features suck compared to NetBattle.