Project Counter that Threat! 21st Week: Snover - Counters Submissions

[Fiend]

Ponyta @ Eviolite
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Def / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
Impish Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Will-O-Wisp
- Double Kick
- Morning Sun

Switch in and live any attack and then morning sun. Unless you have max rolls or predict exceptionally poorly, Ponyta wins.

calcs

200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Ponyta: 9-13 (42.8 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(9, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)

40 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 236+ Def Eviolite Ponyta: 8-9 (38 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)

0 Atk Ponyta Double Kick (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Houndour: 20-24 (105.2 - 126.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[fran17]

Houndour @ Berry Juice
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 5
EVs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 236 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Dark Pulse
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Substitute

SubJuice Houndour is gimmick, but he's not that difficult to place a sub (Ponyta double status is perfect for this).
Hidden Power [Ground] hit hard a lot of things, and houndour, obviously. Flash Fire allows Houndour to fuck pony/houndour and other boring things.

Some calcs :

196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Houndour: 8-10 (38 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Houndour: 16-21 (84.2 - 110.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

HP Ground + recoil of life orb allows an easy win.

200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Houndour: 8-10 (42.1 - 52.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
You should add Stealth Rocks in your calcs

 

[Svalkenaeres]

Oh sorry, I ignored that.
So I will take something better, I was thinking without sr.
Finally, I replaced it by based god makuhita c: .

 

[Rowan]

200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Houndour: 8-10 (42.1 - 52.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
You should add Stealth Rocks in your calcs

But berry juice

 

[Svalkenaeres]

Yeah, true, but tbh now I prefer Makuhita who is safer and really more funny.

 

[sam-testings]

reserving chinchou? i think?

Chinchou @ Berry Juice
Level: 5
Ability: Volt Absorb
Evs: Bold: 76/0/212/152/0/60
-Scald
-Volt switch
-Hydro Miss
-Some random filler Move

Chincou lives every move that Houndour sends at it, and OHKOS it back. Wheeeee.

196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Fire Blast vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Chinchou: 10-13 (40 - 52%) -- 11.3% chance to 2HKO
(10, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)
196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Chinchou: 17-21 (68 - 84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 21)
36 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 76 HP / 212+ Def Chinchou: 9-13 (36 - 52%) -- 11.3% chance to 2HKO
(9, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)
196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Hidden Power Grass vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Chinchou: 16-21 (64 - 84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(16, 16, 16, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 21)

vs.

152 SpA Chinchou Scald vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Houndour: 20-26 (105.2 - 136.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(20, 20, 20, 20, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 26)

 

[LoboMuzenza]

Munchlax @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD
Impish Nature
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 9-12 (30 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

236+ Atk Munchlax Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Houndour: 22-27 (115.7 - 142.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Ecna]

Munchlax @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD
Impish Nature
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 9-12 (30 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

236+ Atk Munchlax Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Houndour: 22-27 (115.7 - 142.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

How do you have an Impish nature on your set but also an Attack-boosting nature on your calc

Was it a slip-up or a subtle attempt to cheat? Find out on the next episode of Counter that Threat.

 

[LoboMuzenza]

How do you have an Impish nature on your set but also an Attack-boosting nature on your calc

Was it a slip-up or a subtle attempt to cheat? Find out on the next episode of Counter that Threat.

The set I took from Dex and the set with the same name in the damage calculator has different natures i guess. Doesn't matter though, impish one has 110% min.

236 Atk Munchlax Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Houndour: 21-25 (110.5 - 131.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Yagura]

Voting time.

 

[The Quasar]

Pawou's Timburr

 

[Kavatika]

munchlax

 

[Fiend]

Timburr

 

[Aerow]

Pawou/Timburr

 

[sam-testings]

i never get voted for =(
i don't think i get to vote for my own, so
TIIIMMMBUUUR

(someone make a pitbull joke)

 

[sparktrain]

doge got nothing on Makuhita
it also counters sneasel, unban

 

[Svalkenaeres]

Yagura's Deino.

 

[Sken]

Deino

 

[Yagura]

Pawou's Dokkorer wins! This week's threat is:

Snubbull @ Berry Juice
Level: 5
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 116 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD / 36 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Earthquake
- Close Combat
- Thief

 

[fitzy72]

Koffing @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Def / 236 SpD
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Sludge Bomb
- Fire Blast

Do I even need to explain?

 

[Rowan]

Foongus @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 5
EVs: 124 HP / 156 Def / 156 SpD
Bold Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Spore
- Stun Spore


0 SpA Foongus Sludge Bomb vs. 116 HP / 116 SpD Snubbull: 20-26 (83.3 - 108.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
(20, 20, 20, 20, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 26)

196+ Atk Snubbull Earthquake vs. 124 HP / 156+ Def Eviolite Foongus: 6-8 (24 - 32%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO
(6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8)

if it gets a low roll, it's annoying, but you can spore first turn to avoid that. or you can add mroe SpA EVs
156 SpA Foongus Sludge Bomb vs. 116 HP / 116 SpD Snubbull: 24-30 (100 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO

if you don't care about the SpD you might as well

 

[sparktrain]

Ekans @ Berry Juice
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 5
EVs: 236 HP / 84 Def / 164 SpD
Careful Nature
- Coil
- Gunk Shot
- Earthquake
- Sucker Punch

-1 196+ Atk Snubbull Earthquake vs. 236 HP / 84 Def Ekans: 16-20 (69.5 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 Atk Ekans Gunk Shot vs. 116 HP / 36 Def Snubbull: 26-32 (108.3 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

hisss

 

[sam-testings]

reserving growliteh

Growlithe @ Eviolite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 5
Evs: 236 HP/ 116 Atk/ 156/ Def
impish nature
-Morning sun
-Will o wisp
-Sunny day
-Flare blitz

Come in, intimidate lowers attack and Earthquake does 48% at most. Then, you will o wisp, and lower attack even more, to the point where Earthquake does 20% at most. Then, proceed to set up sun and get them morning suns going.

Here some calcs
-1 196+ Atk Snubbull Earthquake vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Eviolite Growlithe: 10-12 (40 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12)
Intimidate lowers attack.
-1 196+ Atk burned Snubbull Earthquake vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Eviolite Growlithe: 5-6 (20 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
(5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
And then just get suns up and heal for days, not necessarily in that order.
And the boosted flare blitz too.
116 Atk Growlithe Flare Blitz vs. 116 HP / 36 Def Snubbull in Sun: 25-31 (104.1 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(25, 27, 27, 27, 27, 27, 28, 28, 28, 28, 28, 30, 30, 30, 30, 31)

Sun teams ftw.

 

[Shrug]

reserving pawniard

make sure you include lots of bulk to tank Close Combat!!

 

[Anthiese]

Soleanna (Larvesta) (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 5
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 76 HP / 236 Atk / 156 Def / 36 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Morning Sun
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Will-O-Wisp

Okay here's the skinny.

Larv gives no fucks about Snubbull's attacks.

calcs before item loss/usage also larv is at -1

Snubbull's Moves
Play Rough 17.3 - 26%
Earthquake 26 - 34.7%
Close Combat 17.3 - 21.7%
Thief 21.7 - 26%

Larvesta's Moves
U-turn 12.5 - 20.8%
Flare Blitz 54.1 - 66.6%

calcs after snub bj procs and steals evio from larv also larv is still -1

Snubbull's Moves
Play Rough 26 - 34.7%
Earthquake 43.4 - 52.1%
Close Combat 21.7 - 30.4%
Thief 26 - 34.7%

Larvesta's Moves
U-turn 12.5 - 12.5%
Flare Blitz 37.5 - 50%

obligatory burned snub calcs

before evio is stolen

Play Rough 8.6 - 13%
Earthquake 13 - 17.3%
Close Combat 8.6 - 8.6%
Thief 8.6 - 13%

after evio is stolen

Play Rough 13 - 17.3%
Earthquake 21.7 - 26%
Close Combat 8.6 - 13%
Thief 13 - 17.3%