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Counter that RU Pokemon!!
- Thread starter Pombo
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Typhlosion (m) (Choice Specs)
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest nature (+SpA, -Atk)
-Eruption
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Rock)
-Fire Blast
Switches in on Lava Plume and smashes faces with a supper effective Hidden Power. Than proceeds to seep for game.
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest nature (+SpA, -Atk)
-Eruption
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Rock)
-Fire Blast
Switches in on Lava Plume and smashes faces with a supper effective Hidden Power. Than proceeds to seep for game.
One, Flash Fire Thyplo is unreleased.
Second, being locked in a move makes it hard to sweep, especially if you run a Modest nature and fail to outspeed a important part of the metagame.
Feraligatr(M) @ leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/ 124 Atk/ 100 Def/ 32 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
This thing can just set up in torkoals face with DD and then take it out with a waterfall, and then proceed to sweep if it gets more than one DD and there is no scarfer to counter it.
It is a good way to force it out, but if you try to get in recklessly, you might (and probably will) get burned.
Anywho,
Rotom-C @ Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Volt Switch
- Trick
Can come in on all but Ice Punch (and even then, it won't die due the lack of massive Attack invesment) and proceed to instantly force it out.
If it stays in, Rotom can either Leaf Storm it to death, Volt Switch for huge damage or Trick it and prevent it from attacking after the set up.
Kinda funny you diss his counter then choose this dangerous counter, as if it predicts the switch and gets a critical you die.
To counter this Muk I give you:
HUGGLES (Muk) (M) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Sticky Hold
EVs: 212 HP / 244 Atk / 52 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Gunk Shot
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
Cant be tricked thanks to sticky hold. Can take any of rotom's attacks and set up a sub.
Scolipede (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 108 HP / 48 Atk / 252 Def / 100 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Megahorn
- Poison Jab
Didn't know if Spd meant SpD or Spe so I picked a physical counter. Gunk Shot does 25-29.2% So a 5HKO with lefties factored in. If it predicts a switch in and gets a crit it is still a 4HKO(Max Damage rolls 3 times as well), which still allows me to outspeed and 3HKO with EQ. So the only way I lose is two crit Gunkshots(70% acc btw lol).
Other info thats pertinent, speed EV's allow me to out pace +Spe 80 pokes Mega/Jab for STAB and Quake/Slide for coverage.
Cinccino @ Life Orb
252 Atk / 252 Spd
Ability: Skill Link
Nature:
-Tail Slap
-Rock Blast
-Bullet Seed
-Wake-Up Slap
Outspeeds and KOs through Focus Sash.
252 Atk / 252 Spd
Ability: Skill Link
Nature:
-Tail Slap
-Rock Blast
-Bullet Seed
-Wake-Up Slap
Outspeeds and KOs through Focus Sash.
Odds of a crit: 6.25%
So a counter isn't a counter due a crit occurring. Right.
And to the guy above me, that pokemon is also not released with that ability. A counter has to be able to switch in without too much risk, which your "counter" can do on two moves only. Otherwise, it takes a hunk of damage, if it survives with 75/60/60 defenses from the hit that is.
Why do I have to sound salty?
Please make sure all your info is valid and that your counter is a counter,
AKA can switch in with relative ease and force the pokemon opposing it out.
Man, I always sound like this when attempting to correct people...
Edit:
Sigh...
Agree with Ningildo. Can we start posting actual counters with correct and complete information? Anyways countering Cinccino.
Steelix @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
The most it takes from Cinccino's moves is 27.68 - 32.76% from Wake-up Slap, which is a 4HKO, while Gyro Ball 2HKOs. Steelix can also get a free turn to set up rocks if Cinccino chooses to switch.
Steelix @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
The most it takes from Cinccino's moves is 27.68 - 32.76% from Wake-up Slap, which is a 4HKO, while Gyro Ball 2HKOs. Steelix can also get a free turn to set up rocks if Cinccino chooses to switch.
Moltres @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 Def
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Grass
- Air Slash
- Roost
The only thing that steelix can do to it is is try to dragon tail it out or catch it with an earthquake on the roost if moltres switches into stealth rocks. But even with the SpD investment, steelix isnt going to like a max special attack, life orbed, STAB fire blast from moltres.
And btw thanks for that muk counter pikapwnd, i was having serious troubles with rotom-c's and i put that muk on my team and it has performed very well in countering it.
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 Def
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Grass
- Air Slash
- Roost
The only thing that steelix can do to it is is try to dragon tail it out or catch it with an earthquake on the roost if moltres switches into stealth rocks. But even with the SpD investment, steelix isnt going to like a max special attack, life orbed, STAB fire blast from moltres.
And btw thanks for that muk counter pikapwnd, i was having serious troubles with rotom-c's and i put that muk on my team and it has performed very well in countering it.
Double01
Hate it or love it the under dog's on top
Haven't done a CTP in a while so have to stick with an old classic.
Slowking @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP/ 144 Def/ 108 SDef
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Slack Off
- T-Wave
- Dragon Tail
Slowking can survive the 2hko from HP Grass and can either kill with scald, cripple it with t wave, or wrack up sr damage with Dragon Tail whichever fits your play style. Can also just get health back from regenerator.
Slowking @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP/ 144 Def/ 108 SDef
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Slack Off
- T-Wave
- Dragon Tail
Slowking can survive the 2hko from HP Grass and can either kill with scald, cripple it with t wave, or wrack up sr damage with Dragon Tail whichever fits your play style. Can also just get health back from regenerator.
Flame Body is released on moltres and allowed on the smogon PO server under standard RU. It is also superior to pressure on an offensive set.
Source? It might be a bug or some forgotten thing, so saying that it's allowed on PO means nothing if not confirmed SOMEWHERE.
To the guy's Slowking above:
Lanturn (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 52 HP / 252 Def / 204 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Heal Bell
Only "fears" Dragon Tail if hazards are present and a Scald burn. Proceeds to either Scald for residual damage with Burn or Thunderbolt it to kingdom come. Can also remove possible status on itself and it's teammates with Heal Bell.
Edit: I just tried Flame Body and it redirected me to DW OU.
Screenshot for backing up your statement?
Dusion@Eviolite
Bold (Magic Guard)
252HP/252Def/6SpAtt
Calm Mind
Recover
Psycho Shock
HP Fighting
Standard RU Duosion can happily use Lanturn as setup bait. Thunderbolt fails to 4HKO the vast majority of the time (22%-26%) even before Calm Minds, bring in Recover and Duosion doesn't even fear successive critical hits. Scald's burns are also obviously ineffective. In turn Psycho Shock gets a guaranteed 2HKO upon reaching +2 SpAtt.
Before posting the original counter, i ran about 2 standard RU battles with flame body to confirm it. im guessing it was due to a bug or glitch that i was allowed in standard RU battles. But upon trying again today, i was properly redirected to DW OU tier for battling.
I haven't read every post but hopefully this set hasn't been posted yet
Mandibuzz@Leftovers
trait:Big Pecks
nature: Careful
248 HP / 244 SpD / 16 Spe
-Roost
-Taunt/Toxic
-Brave Bird
-Whirlwind
Taunt is great for blocking slower set-ups like duosion and Mandibuzz is bulky enough to take a few HP fightings and phase out Duosion if need be, otherwise it can whittle away with taunt and brave bird. Obviously toxic won't do anything to duosion but it is slashed in in case you want it for other threats.
It's unfortunate that roost limits you by removing your flying type in this situation but mandy is more than capable of sponging hits from HP-fighting here is calcs at +2:
(6 +2 SpAtk Duosion Hidden Power Fighting vs 248 HP/244 SpDef Mandibuzz: 21.75% - 25.77% 5-7 hits to KO (with Leftovers))
Mandibuzz@Leftovers
trait:Big Pecks
nature: Careful
248 HP / 244 SpD / 16 Spe
-Roost
-Taunt/Toxic
-Brave Bird
-Whirlwind
Taunt is great for blocking slower set-ups like duosion and Mandibuzz is bulky enough to take a few HP fightings and phase out Duosion if need be, otherwise it can whittle away with taunt and brave bird. Obviously toxic won't do anything to duosion but it is slashed in in case you want it for other threats.
It's unfortunate that roost limits you by removing your flying type in this situation but mandy is more than capable of sponging hits from HP-fighting here is calcs at +2:
(6 +2 SpAtk Duosion Hidden Power Fighting vs 248 HP/244 SpDef Mandibuzz: 21.75% - 25.77% 5-7 hits to KO (with Leftovers))
Electivire@Choice Band
Adamant
252Att/252Spe/6SpAtt
Wild Charge
Earthquake
Ice Punch
Volt Switch/Cross Chop
CB Electivire can simply muscle it's way through Mandibuzz. Between it's appalling base 65Att and resisted STAB, Electivire has no issue switching in on Brave Bird, or indeed anything on that moveset. After the Choice Band boost and 188 attack EVs a 248HP/0Def Mandibuzz is OHKO'd 100% of the time by Wild Charge (+1 379 Wild Charge vs 423HP/246Def: 105.4%-124.8%) , removing any possibility of being stalled out outside of the Reflect being set up prior to switching in. Volt Switch is slashed in to accommodate for the opponent switching in a non-ground counter, keeping Vire safe until Mandibuzzz rears it's bald head again.
Claydol @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Beam
Claydol resists Wild Charge, EQ, and Cross Chop, but is OHKO'd by Ice Punch. I couldn't really find anything that takes all of its moves, but with some prediction I'm sure Claydol can come in because it resists 3/4 of its moves. Claydol can set up SR, Rapid Spin on the switch, 2HKO with Earth Power, or use Ice Beam to hit the flying types that are used to draw in electric attacks.
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Beam
Claydol resists Wild Charge, EQ, and Cross Chop, but is OHKO'd by Ice Punch. I couldn't really find anything that takes all of its moves, but with some prediction I'm sure Claydol can come in because it resists 3/4 of its moves. Claydol can set up SR, Rapid Spin on the switch, 2HKO with Earth Power, or use Ice Beam to hit the flying types that are used to draw in electric attacks.
Spiritomb (M) @ BlackGlasses
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Shadow Sneak
- Will-O-Wisp
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
This. Spiritomb can p much do whatever he likes here. Blocking Rapid Spin, trapping it with Pursuit, Burn it, etc. Ice Beam and Earth Power wouldnt be doing much damage to Tomb.
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Shadow Sneak
- Will-O-Wisp
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
This. Spiritomb can p much do whatever he likes here. Blocking Rapid Spin, trapping it with Pursuit, Burn it, etc. Ice Beam and Earth Power wouldnt be doing much damage to Tomb.
Magneton @ Eviolite
EVs: 212 HP / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
- Substitute
- Charge Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Grass / Ice
Sets up all over Spiritomb by resisting all of its moves and blocking WoW with Substitute. Also doesn't mind switching into WoW since it's a special attacker.
EVs: 212 HP / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
- Substitute
- Charge Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Grass / Ice
Sets up all over Spiritomb by resisting all of its moves and blocking WoW with Substitute. Also doesn't mind switching into WoW since it's a special attacker.
Pretty much every Water-type Pokemon can stop that, but I'm gonna choose this one due to its resistance to Stealth Rock:
Poliwrath (
) @
( Leftovers )
Trait - Water Absorb
EVs - 132 HP / 252 Atk / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature (+ Atk, - SpA)
Besides that, it can also Encore Camerupt's Stealth Rock and hit most Pokemon that try to switch in hard except whatever Pokemon is posted after this.
Poliwrath (
) @
Trait - Water Absorb
EVs - 132 HP / 252 Atk / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature (+ Atk, - SpA)
- Substitute
- Encore
- Focus Punch
- Waterfall
Besides that, it can also Encore Camerupt's Stealth Rock and hit most Pokemon that try to switch in hard except whatever Pokemon is posted after this.
Qwilfish (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
-Spikes
-Toxic Spikes
-Taunt
-Poison Jab
Resists both of Poliwrath's attacks, and weakens it with Intimidate. It's basically just the standard Utility Qwilfish, but with Poison Jab so it can deal damage to Poliwrath's subs.
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
-Spikes
-Toxic Spikes
-Taunt
-Poison Jab
Resists both of Poliwrath's attacks, and weakens it with Intimidate. It's basically just the standard Utility Qwilfish, but with Poison Jab so it can deal damage to Poliwrath's subs.