So in the end, we're making some kind of Glass Cannon then, judging on the averages of Rock. The question that come to mind is how low is low in terms of base stat.
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CAP 5 CAP 5 - Part 3 (Secondary Typing Poll 1)
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I hope this Glass Cannon changes the game.
Technican Giga grain + Ancient power ftw?
I like rock types. It beats down on flying types :)
I think maybe a rock/electric would be original, i'd like to give it levitate to cancel out its 4x ground weakness.
1. ELECTRIC
2. NORMAL
I want to see more types with normal as a secondary typing. It gives 1 weakness, 1 immunity and stabbed return :) I think arcanine would benefit greatly from secondary type normal
I think maybe a rock/electric would be original, i'd like to give it levitate to cancel out its 4x ground weakness.
1. ELECTRIC
2. NORMAL
I want to see more types with normal as a secondary typing. It gives 1 weakness, 1 immunity and stabbed return :) I think arcanine would benefit greatly from secondary type normal
I figured one of the things we could do is give it a mediocre SpA, but also a SpA version of Pure Power.
For Example: 125 Atk 95 BP is approximately equal in damage to 69 Atk 70 BP with Pure Power, i.e. Power Gem on this Pokemon would hit neutral pokemon as hard as Psychic on Azelf
The move pool could be a bunch of things at 75 BP and under. That would break the mold, too, since we would be using Aroura Beam, Bubble Beam, Signal Beam instead of Ice Beam, Surf, Bug Buzz.
For Example: 125 Atk 95 BP is approximately equal in damage to 69 Atk 70 BP with Pure Power, i.e. Power Gem on this Pokemon would hit neutral pokemon as hard as Psychic on Azelf
The move pool could be a bunch of things at 75 BP and under. That would break the mold, too, since we would be using Aroura Beam, Bubble Beam, Signal Beam instead of Ice Beam, Surf, Bug Buzz.
So I just screwed around with numbers for like an hour and a half and came up with this:
What that means is that, not including Shuckle, whose stats are just whack, the completely average Rock guy, assuming a BST of 600, is:
93 / 116 / 143 / 81 / 101 / 66
Now, I tried a whole bunch of crap that didn't work to find the opposite of that; that is, the same numbers, just "inverted," so to speak, to be just as bad as they were good.
It turns out that as good an approximation as any is to just take the difference between that number and 100 and subtract it twice. Think about it like reflecting x = 93 over x = 100.
The crazy thing is that when you do that with each number, the result still comes out to have a BST of 600, because apparently 2(7) - 2(16) - 2(43) + 2(19) - 2(1) + 2(34) = 0.
In any case, that leaves us with something like:
107 / 84 / 57 / 119 / 99 / 134
I plan to use that as a jumping-off point when I make my stat spead.
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[B][B][SIZE=+1][B](19 * 600) / (80 + 105 + 65 + 60 + 75 + 130 + 70 + 110 + 180 + 60 + 60 + 50 + 75 + 125 + 100 + 70 + 80 + 45 + 60 + 52 + 168 + 47 + 138 + 30 + 55 + 55 + 85 + 65 + 85 + 35 + 86 + 81 + 97 + 81 + 107 + 43 + 80 + 110 + 130 + 55 + 65 + 45 + 60 + 115 + 105 + 65 + 70 + 80 + 70 + 55 + 65 + 95 + 85 + 70 + 50 + 50 + 120 + 80 + 80 + 30 + 70 + 60 + 125 + 115 + 70 + 55 + 60 + 55 + 145 + 75 + 150 + 40 + 97 + 165 + 60 + 65 + 50 + 58 + 80 + 100 + 200 + 50 + 100 + 50 + 100 + 90 + 130 + 45 + 65 + 55 + 115 + 140 + 130 + 55 + 55 + 40 + 70 + 95 + 85 + 55 + 65 + 70 + 70 + 100 + 115 + 30 + 65 + 30 + 100 + 134 + 110 + 95 + 100 + 61) = 1.22514777[/B][/SIZE][/B][/B]
[B][B][SIZE=+1][B](1.22514777 * (80 + 70 + 75 + 60 + 55 + 86 + 80 + 60 + 70 + 50 + 70 + 60 + 97 + 80 + 100 + 115 + 70 + 70 + 100)) / 19 = 93.3691564[/B][/SIZE][/B][/B]
[B][B][SIZE=+1][B](1.22514777 * (105 + 110 + 125 + 52 + 55 + 81 + 110 + 115 + 55 + 50 + 60 + 55 + 165 + 100 + 90 + 140 + 95 + 100 + 134)) / 19 = 115.873186[/B][/SIZE][/B][/B]
[B][B][SIZE=+1][B](1.22514777 * (65 + 180 + 100 + 168 + 85 + 97 + 130 + 105 + 65 + 120 + 125 + 145 + 60 + 200 + 130 + 130 + 85 + 115 + 110)) / 19 = 142.826437[/B][/SIZE][/B][/B]
[B][B][SIZE=+1][B](1.22514777 * (60 + 60 + 70 + 47 + 65 + 81 + 55 + 65 + 95 + 80 + 115 + 75 + 65 + 50 + 45 + 55 + 55 + 30 + 95)) / 19 = 81.440086[/B][/SIZE][/B][/B]
[B][B][SIZE=+1][B](1.22514777 * (75 + 60 + 80 + 138 + 85 + 107 + 65 + 70 + 85 + 80 + 70 + 150 + 50 + 100 + 65 + 55 + 65 + 65 + 100)) / 19 = 100.913487[/B][/SIZE][/B][/B]
[B][B][SIZE=+1][B](1.22514777 * (130 + 50 + 45 + 30 + 35 + 43 + 45 + 80 + 70 + 30 + 55 + 40 + 58 + 50 + 55 + 40 + 70 + 30 + 61)) / 19 = 65.5776464[/B][/SIZE][/B][/B]93 / 116 / 143 / 81 / 101 / 66
Now, I tried a whole bunch of crap that didn't work to find the opposite of that; that is, the same numbers, just "inverted," so to speak, to be just as bad as they were good.
It turns out that as good an approximation as any is to just take the difference between that number and 100 and subtract it twice. Think about it like reflecting x = 93 over x = 100.
The crazy thing is that when you do that with each number, the result still comes out to have a BST of 600, because apparently 2(7) - 2(16) - 2(43) + 2(19) - 2(1) + 2(34) = 0.
In any case, that leaves us with something like:
107 / 84 / 57 / 119 / 99 / 134
I plan to use that as a jumping-off point when I make my stat spead.
Looks good to me. Thanks. The thing I want for this is kinda like a Gardevoir, Mismagiusesque-Pokemon. Sort of like a speedy tank.
I like how that sounds! These moves are way to underused anyway, but for good reason, admittedly.
I like how that sounds! These moves are way to underused anyway, but for good reason, admittedly.
So basically a special version of Rampardos? >__>
haha, that's what I was thinking! How is a Rock glass cannon breaking the mold?
I think that once we settle into the Art, and in general a whole direction for this Pokémon, we'll stop thinking about the menial things like this. I mean, it'll end up what it's going to end up. I just think it's important that it's Mono-Rock, and besides, I think a fast special sweeper is breaking the mold enough, and the defenses don't matter so much so long as the Defense is low to lowish.
By the way I'm really liking the idea of Ancient Power / something / something / something Choice Specs STAB Technician :)
Well, according to this, were on the right track of Sp.Attk and Spd...
Wow this is really helpful, thanks chronostrike.
Soooo the types that stereotypically have higher attack, lower special attack and lower speed are:
Bug, Fighting, Ground and Steel
They all have lower than average Sp.A and Speed, and higher than average Attack.
Dark, Dragon and Ghost also fit the desired stat distribution by having lower than average speed, higher than average Attack and Sp. A, but lower Sp. A than Attack.
Yes Parad, we already noticed that, it's mentioned in this very thread.
This discussion has veered way off topic. I realize everyone is bored waiting for the next poll, but that's not a justification to poll jump into stat spreads, movepool, or anything else.
I think it's fine to present information about the stereotype of the pokemon we are making. Since the concept is "Break the Mold", we need to constantly evaluate "the mold". "The mold" will shift as we flesh out the various aspects of the pokemon. But, don't let on-topic support information cause the discussion to get off-track.
For example, chronostrike's post on stat tendencies for all types is perfectly on topic (and very helpful BTW) for a typing discussion about "breaking the mold". However, to use that information as a springboard into a premature stat spread discussion for this pokemon -- that is off-topic. The same goes for the specific ability and specific bias posts that have been popping up recently.
This poll is typing. The next poll will STILL be typing. If the central theme of your post is not focused on the typing of this pokemon -- then please do not make the post. It is off-topic. Just save your thoughts for later, when the appropriate thread comes along.
I think it's fine to present information about the stereotype of the pokemon we are making. Since the concept is "Break the Mold", we need to constantly evaluate "the mold". "The mold" will shift as we flesh out the various aspects of the pokemon. But, don't let on-topic support information cause the discussion to get off-track.
For example, chronostrike's post on stat tendencies for all types is perfectly on topic (and very helpful BTW) for a typing discussion about "breaking the mold". However, to use that information as a springboard into a premature stat spread discussion for this pokemon -- that is off-topic. The same goes for the specific ability and specific bias posts that have been popping up recently.
This poll is typing. The next poll will STILL be typing. If the central theme of your post is not focused on the typing of this pokemon -- then please do not make the post. It is off-topic. Just save your thoughts for later, when the appropriate thread comes along.
People it is a sp. sweeper we are building and doesn't need to have "perefekt defensive 2nd type" for it to still work. But still the second typing should not shine better than Rock as a attacking STAB so Fighting is out of the options for me!
1. Grass, best secondary type that gives it enought resisance but still gives it a good type coverage to Rock without being the supperior attacking type.
2. Electric (only because it sounds as a cool typing and its NOT dragon or fighting)
Just to remind people that Sandstormed Weather ball is the strongest (by far) special attacking Rock move in the game. But that for another poll...
Wouldn't the reversal of their stereotype conflict with Rock's reversal thus negating the effect on each other effects?
A little experiment involving those stat averages. Don't have to pay any attention to it.
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Rock: [COLOR=black][SIZE=2]180 [B]220[/B] [B]298[/B] 157 [B]220[/B] 125
Dragon: [/SIZE][/COLOR][COLOR=black][SIZE=2]186 [B]218[/B] 188 216 [B]202[/B] 190
Rock/Dragon: 183 [B]219[/B] [B]243[/B] 186 [B]211[/B] 157
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I completly lost my hopes for this poject...
Half of the people who are voting didn't even read this thing up as shown by the guys who are still voting even though the poll is closed and also by the guy who deosn't even know theres Special based Fighting moves -.-
Half of the people who are voting didn't even read this thing up as shown by the guys who are still voting even though the poll is closed and also by the guy who deosn't even know theres Special based Fighting moves -.-
Aura Sphere, Vacuum Wave, Focus Blast and Hidden Power Fight. Don't know if I missed any.
Aura Sphere, Vacumn Wave, Focus Blast, HP Fighting, stop me anytime.
Also, I urge you to look at Aerodactyl.
Why haven't we moved on to poll 2...
1:Dragon
2:Steel
I suggested steel because since we're breaking the mold it would be kinda cool to have a fastrock/steel. So all the people who wanted fasted steel might get it. And MIGHT counter some tough foes.
2:Steel
I suggested steel because since we're breaking the mold it would be kinda cool to have a fastrock/steel. So all the people who wanted fasted steel might get it. And MIGHT counter some tough foes.
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