Lol, I originally had plans on raising each defenses by 5 points to acquire a BSR of 420, but 421 with 10 more SpD sounds more appealing to me.
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CAP 5 CAP 5 - Base Stat Submissions
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HP: 92
ATK: 74
DEF: 54
SP.ATK: 121
SP.DEF: 81
SPD: 122
AVERAGE: 90.67
TOTAL: 544
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=peCObweYgTA3A4nd-wrY_AQ
This was a quick spreadsheet I did on Excel to find out what the exact average Rock type was, and then find out exactly how to do the opposite. I found the stats of every primary Rock type (ie, that excludes Corsola because it is Water/Rock, not Rock/Water), and averaged them. These stats are listed as "Average" on the sheet.
Then, I did =Average Stats + (Average Stats - Stat) to find out what the exact opposite would be. For example, a Rock type with 50 Sp. Atk, and an average 80 per stat, would get 80 + (80-50) = 110. These results are listed as Mold-Breaker. I then rounded these stats up to get Mold-Breaker rounded.
Finally, I set out to make all the stats completely unique. First, not a single stat ends in 5 or 0, to make it seem unique. Second, the base stat total is 544, which no other Pokemon has. (closest is Togekiss, at 545). Third, no other Pokemon has a single one of the above stats. (ie, I made it have 92 base HP, because no other Pokemon has 92 base HP). I was left with about 43 stat points left over to 544, which I put into Speed and Sp. Attack - enough Speed to outspeed Syclant, and break the mold by creating a unique speed tier. It also has a high, unique Sp. Atk level.
So, this set breaks every mold imaginable. X-Act's stat rating (which is an extremely useful thing, btw. I'd love to be able to download in offline version). gives it a:
(Double-click for bigger picture).
Which I believe means it fits all the categories.
I'll do some damage calcs to show what it can do competitively as well in a minute. Comments would be appreciated, I spent a while on this.
ATK: 74
DEF: 54
SP.ATK: 121
SP.DEF: 81
SPD: 122
AVERAGE: 90.67
TOTAL: 544
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=peCObweYgTA3A4nd-wrY_AQ
This was a quick spreadsheet I did on Excel to find out what the exact average Rock type was, and then find out exactly how to do the opposite. I found the stats of every primary Rock type (ie, that excludes Corsola because it is Water/Rock, not Rock/Water), and averaged them. These stats are listed as "Average" on the sheet.
Then, I did =Average Stats + (Average Stats - Stat) to find out what the exact opposite would be. For example, a Rock type with 50 Sp. Atk, and an average 80 per stat, would get 80 + (80-50) = 110. These results are listed as Mold-Breaker. I then rounded these stats up to get Mold-Breaker rounded.
Finally, I set out to make all the stats completely unique. First, not a single stat ends in 5 or 0, to make it seem unique. Second, the base stat total is 544, which no other Pokemon has. (closest is Togekiss, at 545). Third, no other Pokemon has a single one of the above stats. (ie, I made it have 92 base HP, because no other Pokemon has 92 base HP). I was left with about 43 stat points left over to 544, which I put into Speed and Sp. Attack - enough Speed to outspeed Syclant, and break the mold by creating a unique speed tier. It also has a high, unique Sp. Atk level.
So, this set breaks every mold imaginable. X-Act's stat rating (which is an extremely useful thing, btw. I'd love to be able to download in offline version). gives it a:
(Double-click for bigger picture).
Which I believe means it fits all the categories.
I'll do some damage calcs to show what it can do competitively as well in a minute. Comments would be appreciated, I spent a while on this.
Here is my final stat spread:
HP: 95
Atk: 55
Def: 55
SpA: 120
SpD: 95
Spe: 120
(BST 540)
Physical Sweepiness: 89 (Below Average)
Physical Tankiness: 87 (Below Average)
Special Sweepiness: 194 (Amazing)
Special Tankiness: 135 (Good)
Offense/Defense Balance: 20.1 (Bias to Offense)
Physical/Special Balance: -67.0 (Extreme Bias to Special)
Overall Rating: 435 (Excellent)
The point of this stat spread is to make a fast sweeper that is also quite bulky in Special Defense, going almost to the minimum allowed Offense/Defense Balance of 20. This allows it to beat Togekiss, whether it has max Special Defense or max Special Attack. In the former case, this Pokemon will, without a favourable nature, 2HKO Togekiss more often than not if it is equipped with a 90 base power Special Rock move, while in the latter case, Togekiss only manages a maximum of 76% damage using Aura Sphere even if our Pokemon does not invest any EVs in HP and/or SpD.
As I already mentioned, this stat spread assumes that this Pokemon is going to have a 90 Base Power Special Rock move, whether it being a newly-created move or a Technician'd Ancientpower. Because of this, I didn't give this Pokemon a Special Attack stat beyond 120. After all, Weavile does pretty well with the same base stat (for Attack) and having STABs of only 75 BP and 70 BP. Also, remember how Gengar used to do so well in ADV without having any Special STAB moves?
Regarding Speed, this Pokemon really does not need more than 120 base Speed. Consider all the common Pokemon that outspeed it: Weavile, Syclant, Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl, Shaymin Sky Form, Ninjask and Deoxys-S. Among these, only Jolteon and Deoxys-S would dare switch into this new Pokemon, as all the others are weak to Rock. Jolteon can't do much back with this Pokemon possessing 95/95 special defensive prowess. About Deoxys-S, it's not exactly the bulkiest of switch-ins, for one thing, and anyway, you really shouldn't expect me to make the Speed stat more than 180 just to outspeed it...
About the Attack stat, it is quite low, since Rock-types are generally proficient in this stat and we are breaking the mold. 55 base Attack mimicks Rhyperior's 55 base SpA, to ensure that it is not allowed to do any serious damage using physical moves, just like Rhyperior's 55 base SpA ensures that it can't use Thunderbolt, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Surf and Focus Blast effectively (yes, it learns all of them).
Finally, the 55 Def stat, again low due to Rock types usually excelling in this stat, is this Pokemon's Achilles' heel... and it needs one. It is true that this Pokemon has 5 nasty weaknesses, but when it has 120 base Speed and it comes in on something that can't really threaten it, it's going to be hard to stop. If you think about it, there aren't that many Pokemon that are Special defensive and use physical attacks. This is also the reason why I tried to keep the BSR as close to the minimum of 420 allowed to be 'Excellent' as possible.
That's my final spread. Hope you like it.
HP: 95
Atk: 55
Def: 55
SpA: 120
SpD: 95
Spe: 120
(BST 540)
Physical Sweepiness: 89 (Below Average)
Physical Tankiness: 87 (Below Average)
Special Sweepiness: 194 (Amazing)
Special Tankiness: 135 (Good)
Offense/Defense Balance: 20.1 (Bias to Offense)
Physical/Special Balance: -67.0 (Extreme Bias to Special)
Overall Rating: 435 (Excellent)
The point of this stat spread is to make a fast sweeper that is also quite bulky in Special Defense, going almost to the minimum allowed Offense/Defense Balance of 20. This allows it to beat Togekiss, whether it has max Special Defense or max Special Attack. In the former case, this Pokemon will, without a favourable nature, 2HKO Togekiss more often than not if it is equipped with a 90 base power Special Rock move, while in the latter case, Togekiss only manages a maximum of 76% damage using Aura Sphere even if our Pokemon does not invest any EVs in HP and/or SpD.
As I already mentioned, this stat spread assumes that this Pokemon is going to have a 90 Base Power Special Rock move, whether it being a newly-created move or a Technician'd Ancientpower. Because of this, I didn't give this Pokemon a Special Attack stat beyond 120. After all, Weavile does pretty well with the same base stat (for Attack) and having STABs of only 75 BP and 70 BP. Also, remember how Gengar used to do so well in ADV without having any Special STAB moves?
Regarding Speed, this Pokemon really does not need more than 120 base Speed. Consider all the common Pokemon that outspeed it: Weavile, Syclant, Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl, Shaymin Sky Form, Ninjask and Deoxys-S. Among these, only Jolteon and Deoxys-S would dare switch into this new Pokemon, as all the others are weak to Rock. Jolteon can't do much back with this Pokemon possessing 95/95 special defensive prowess. About Deoxys-S, it's not exactly the bulkiest of switch-ins, for one thing, and anyway, you really shouldn't expect me to make the Speed stat more than 180 just to outspeed it...
About the Attack stat, it is quite low, since Rock-types are generally proficient in this stat and we are breaking the mold. 55 base Attack mimicks Rhyperior's 55 base SpA, to ensure that it is not allowed to do any serious damage using physical moves, just like Rhyperior's 55 base SpA ensures that it can't use Thunderbolt, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Surf and Focus Blast effectively (yes, it learns all of them).
Finally, the 55 Def stat, again low due to Rock types usually excelling in this stat, is this Pokemon's Achilles' heel... and it needs one. It is true that this Pokemon has 5 nasty weaknesses, but when it has 120 base Speed and it comes in on something that can't really threaten it, it's going to be hard to stop. If you think about it, there aren't that many Pokemon that are Special defensive and use physical attacks. This is also the reason why I tried to keep the BSR as close to the minimum of 420 allowed to be 'Excellent' as possible.
That's my final spread. Hope you like it.
Here is my final spread:
My only problem with X-acts spread is the Special Defense of 95 is fairly high, and if the Pokémon is "breaking the mold" I believe it should be slightly lower, because many rock type have high special defense, such as: Bastiodon, Cradily, Probopass, Regirock, Shuckle, and Tyranitar.
My only problem with X-acts spread is the Special Defense of 95 is fairly high, and if the Pokémon is "breaking the mold" I believe it should be slightly lower, because many rock type have high special defense, such as: Bastiodon, Cradily, Probopass, Regirock, Shuckle, and Tyranitar.
If in case Excellent do win, here's our back-up spread.
Only differenes between this and our Very Good spread is a BST of 545, and a higher SpD. Wth 10 extra SpD, certain things change drastically.
Only differenes between this and our Very Good spread is a BST of 545, and a higher SpD. Wth 10 extra SpD, certain things change drastically.
Everyone else is about the same in terms of explaining everything.
My final spread. Hope you like it
HP: 100
Atk: 34
Def: 50
SpA: 140
SpD: 80
Spe: 120
HP is for some remote for of living an attack. 50 Def and 80 SpD to brake the mold
140 SpA is for the lack of insainly good STAB. 120 Spe for being quick allowing to outspeed Starmie, Infernape and other Pokemon in that boat.
EDIT: BST is 524 so it's not that high
Tennis, you still didn't change my spread in the OP ><
Frosty has his spread listed under my name and his.
I wouldn't have a problem normally, but if my spread does get picked, then I don't want there to be some sort of confusion if you automatically use the links in the OP.
So, keep that in mind.
Frosty has his spread listed under my name and his.
I wouldn't have a problem normally, but if my spread does get picked, then I don't want there to be some sort of confusion if you automatically use the links in the OP.
So, keep that in mind.
Really? Hmmm... actually seems like they both go to frosty. Lemme fix it.
Edit: Fixed. Sorry bout that.
My Final Spread.The BST is 540.
Hp:Enough to make 101 Subs
Spe:Outspeeds Everything But Dugtrio and Above;If I gave him More Speed, He Would Be Simply too Fast.
Atk:Really,Really Low.
Def:See Atk
Sp. Atk:Compared to Other Rock types, This is Huge.Compared to Other Special Attackers, It's above average.As long as we don't give this Guy a Boosting move, This is not Broken.
Sp. Def:It's Pretty Respectable, Especially in the Sandstorm
Edit: In case very Good wins, I'd like to change the spread to 100/41/40/130/86/119 (516 BST)
Probably, tennis, but I can't be sure, seeing as the poll haven't ended yet. :/ I'd also like a few comments about it, but it seems there isn't enough time. Of course, I don't think I'll win, it would just be nice seeing whether or not I can get at least a few votes, as I quite like my set.
Let me kindly remind you that Aerodactyl, Aggron, Armaldo, Corsola, Golem, Kabutops, Lunatone, Magcargo, Omastar, Rampardos, Relicanth, Rhyperior, Solrock and Sudowoodo all have average Special Defense or less.
There exist Rock types with low Special Defense, others with average Special Defense and others with high Special Defense. Since all of these exist, you can't break the mold with Special Defense no matter what you do. Giving it low Special Defense has precedents. Giving it average Special Defense has precedents. Giving it high Special Defense has precedents. Hence, the Special Tankiness of all submissions can be any number they choose, as long as it conforms to the voted ODB.
Edit: dammit, you're right :(
EDIT: Redone for Very Good BSR rating, as per the results of the current poll. I'm doing new damage calcs now.HP: 92
ATK: 54
DEF: 54
SP.ATK: 124
SP.DEF: 81
SPD: 128
AVERAGE: 88.83
TOTAL: 533
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=peCObweYgTA3A4nd-wrY_AQ
This was a quick spreadsheet I did on Excel to find out what the exact average Rock type was, and then find out exactly how to do the opposite. I found the stats of every primary Rock type (ie, that excludes Corsola because it is Water/Rock, not Rock/Water), and averaged them. These stats are listed as "Average" on the sheet.
Then, I did =Average Stats + (Average Stats - Stat) to find out what the exact opposite would be. For example, a Rock type with 50 Sp. Atk, and an average 80 per stat, would get 80 + (80-50) = 110. These results are listed as Mold-Breaker. I then rounded these stats to the nearest integer to get Mold-Breaker rounded.
Finally, I set out to make all the stats completely unique. First, not a single stat ends in 5 or 0, to make it seem unique. Second, the base stat total is 533, which no other Pokemon has. Third, no other Pokemon has a single one of the above stats. (ie, I made it have 92 base HP, because no other Pokemon has 92 base HP). I did this by rounding down the Physical stats (ATK/DEF) to the nearest unique number, and rounding up the Special stats, and HP/Speed stats.
I was left with about 36 stat points left over to 533, which I put into Speed and Sp. Attack - enough Speed to outspeed Syclant and Skymin, and break the mold by creating a unique speed tier. It also has a high, unique Sp. Atk level.
So, this set breaks every mold imaginable. X-Act's stat rating (which is an extremely useful thing, btw. I'd love to be able to download in offline version). gives it a:
(Double-click for bigger picture).
Which I believe means it fits all the categories.
I'll do some damage calcs to show what it can do competitively as well in a minute. Comments would be appreciated, I spent a while on this.
With the polls tilting towards Very Good instead of Excellent, I'll have to re-do mine a bit.
HP: 76
Atk: 74
Def: 43
SpA: 128
SpD: 88
Spe: 125
Offensive stats are toned down a bit, but it's still ahead of Azelf & co speedwise so it's got a lot of sweeping potential. Decent HP and Special Defense means that in a Sandstorm it can definitely afford to switch into some weaker special attacks, or potentially use a Calm Mind set. The attack isn't enough to really sweep with, but it's definitely enough to make Blissey think twice before switching in if this gets Focus Punch or Explosion. Defense is absolutely terrible, and
It does outspeed a lot of stuff, but it's also easily smacked around by priority moves. With 43 base defense and several priority weaknesses (most notably Bullet Punch, but also Aqua Jet and Mach Punch), holding Metagross or some other priority user means that it isn't unstoppable even if you don't have something that outspeeds it. The Special attack is a lot (enough to make Togekiss more than a little nervous), but it's still not getting through Blissey with special attacks anytime soon.
This is my finalized spread, btw.
(the BSR applet doesn't like OSX ;_;)
HP: 76
Atk: 74
Def: 43
SpA: 128
SpD: 88
Spe: 125
Offensive stats are toned down a bit, but it's still ahead of Azelf & co speedwise so it's got a lot of sweeping potential. Decent HP and Special Defense means that in a Sandstorm it can definitely afford to switch into some weaker special attacks, or potentially use a Calm Mind set. The attack isn't enough to really sweep with, but it's definitely enough to make Blissey think twice before switching in if this gets Focus Punch or Explosion. Defense is absolutely terrible, and
It does outspeed a lot of stuff, but it's also easily smacked around by priority moves. With 43 base defense and several priority weaknesses (most notably Bullet Punch, but also Aqua Jet and Mach Punch), holding Metagross or some other priority user means that it isn't unstoppable even if you don't have something that outspeeds it. The Special attack is a lot (enough to make Togekiss more than a little nervous), but it's still not getting through Blissey with special attacks anytime soon.
This is my finalized spread, btw.
(the BSR applet doesn't like OSX ;_;)
BST isn't an accurate measurement. I can have 39/1/45/200/45/194 and still has 524 BST.
HP: 100
Atk: 34
Def: 50
SpA: 140
SpD: 80
Spe: 120
HP is for some remote for of living an attack. 50 Def and 80 SpD to brake the mold
140 SpA is for the lack of insainly good STAB. 120 Spe for being quick allowing to outspeed Starmie, Infernape and other Pokemon in that boat.
EDIT: BST is 524 so it's not that high
I'm just saying isn't having Tyranitar's HP (101 Subs), Rhyperior's Offense + Arceus's Speed a bit overpowering?
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And to Fishin: Wouldn't it be better to switch the S.Atk and Speed a bit since 128 speed outrunning SkyShaymin would be cool :P
83 HP
50 Attack
55 Defense
125 Special Attack
88 Special Defense
140 Speed
Well, with this build I tried to make the Pokemon blistering fast, which is a complete opposite of it's typing. Along with having that speed, I found the other two important areas were Special Attack, and Special Defense. The special Defense may not look high but do not underestimate the power of a Sandstorm boost. Some stats to ponder with my provided spreads.
307, 122, 146, 377, 211, 379 Modest. 252 Spe, 252 S.Att (No Sandstorm)
307, 122, 146, 377, 316.5, 379 Modest. 252 Spe, 252 S.Att (Sandstorm in effect.)
307, 122, 146, 377, 211, 410 Timid. 252 Spe, 252 S.Att (No Sandstorm)
As you can see, this is quite bulky considering the low base special defense, so just ponder that a second. I was trying for a large Rock stereotype, and it's Speed ties with Electrode only.
This is my final submission.
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