It should do like you said from a logic standpoint. I can only guess the reason why they did like this was to balance the move out for some slightly hidden reason.
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CAP 4 CAP 4 - Attacking Moves Discussion
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How would a Poison/Ground Hand Spider get Ice Beam?
X-Act, I see where you're going with the new move, and I'm sure it's not broken, but I still don't like making new moves. I'm against new abilities and new moves as a personal thing, but wouldn't mind this I guess.
X-Act, I see where you're going with the new move, and I'm sure it's not broken, but I still don't like making new moves. I'm against new abilities and new moves as a personal thing, but wouldn't mind this I guess.
Why would we give this think Psychic? It would pretty much never be used, and again, I kind of feel like Psychic is an opposite type to Poison. It's not even Psychic itself. Against other Poison types, it'd just use Earthquake, and the super-effectiveness against Fighting types would really never be enough to justify it taking up a move slot.
Speaking of things that are super-effective against Fighting types, will this thing be able to get Aerial Ace, for Heracross if nothing else? I mean, even Dugtrio learns that move. That's even more ridiculous than the DLL learning Tailwind! :P
Speaking of things that are super-effective against Fighting types, will this thing be able to get Aerial Ace, for Heracross if nothing else? I mean, even Dugtrio learns that move. That's even more ridiculous than the DLL learning Tailwind! :P
Attack Name: Toxin Wave
Type: Poison
Category: Special
Power Points: 10
Base Power: 100
Accuracy: 95
Battle Effect:
A wave of toxins released from the hands engulfs the foe. It has a 50% chance of inflicting the Toxic status.
I think this could be a very nice STAB move.
Also, with 50% chance of Toxic, it could be used to great effect.
Type: Poison
Category: Special
Power Points: 10
Base Power: 100
Accuracy: 95
Battle Effect:
A wave of toxins released from the hands engulfs the foe. It has a 50% chance of inflicting the Toxic status.
I think this could be a very nice STAB move.
Also, with 50% chance of Toxic, it could be used to great effect.
Hopefully, Fighting Pokemon wouldn't be an issue anyway, seeing as this is Poison-typed, and it wouldn't be staying in against those who routinely carry EQ. On any not carrying EQ (Heracross aside), DLL could use his own ground attack and not have to worry about much abuse.
And Icy Vegeta... A hugely powerful move with 50% chance of badly poisoning the opponent? That would be broken against anything, even those Pokemon that resist it, except steels, of course, with that huge a chance of its effect.
There are A LOT of non-Ice/Water Pokémon that can learn it, many of which aren't even mystical. Tauros, Raticate, Nido lines of both genders, Marowak, Rhyperior, Lickitung, Linoone, Rampardos, Aggron... the list goes on an on. I wouldn't worry about flavour so much for this particular move.
I'm new here but have been lurking for around half a year now, but I have a suggestion. Maybe we could give this guy sucker punch or a new priority move to handle faster threats such as gengar, azelf, and alakazam. Maybe pair it up with nasty plot/swords dance for some massive damage. I know this pokemon was designed to be a utility pokemon, but I would just love it if it could also be some sort of special/physical sweeper.
Two problems here.
1. We already decided Stat-buffering and non-attacking moves, so no NP or Swords Dance.
2. We voted for a pure utility Pokemon. It's number one priority is to set up it's teammates.
That'd be Thick Mud, my idea. ;)
He doesn't need ANY coverage, Ground+ Ice Punch gives great coverage as it is. Ice Beam just to take out dragons is stupid, when it doesn't fit flavor-wise, and you already have Ice Punch. I know its a TM, but please, no Ice Beam. This is a PURE UTILITY pokemon, not a Starmie "I can sweep and spin!" pokemon.
hm, what single type resists poison ground? i can't think of any.
i know that a lot of dual types resist it (zong, skarm).
i know that poison is a terrible attack type, though.
also, i think that thick mud sounds weird. acid mud would fit our pokemon better as a signature move.
i could see him sticking his hands into the ground and injecting poison into it; making it all gooey and disgusting and hard to walk though.
i know that a lot of dual types resist it (zong, skarm).
i know that poison is a terrible attack type, though.
also, i think that thick mud sounds weird. acid mud would fit our pokemon better as a signature move.
i could see him sticking his hands into the ground and injecting poison into it; making it all gooey and disgusting and hard to walk though.
Zong and Skarm do not. Because Gravity says hi!
So, you will use Gravity 100% of the time on your DLL? Right. Skarm is looking like a very solid switch-in to this ATM.
gravity to earth power.
would that OHKO skarm?
would that OHKO skarm?
Probably, but it looks like the main set is going to be physically based.
Because he's going to get a shitload of punches, and probably no beam-like attacks.
Edit: Lopunny has the exact same speed and attack, and it can do a lot with a CB. So don't play it off like 76 sucks by any means. Plus, you all voted for the special based spread, so don't whine when it gets a physical based flavor movepool.
For things like Icy Wind and the like, I really don't think flavor should be an issue considering the ridiculous movepool of fellow Ground-type Rhyperior (he learns THUNDERBOLT for Christ's sake) and to a lesser extent, the Rock-type Tyranitar. Hell, Groudon learns all of this shit too, but he's an Uber so he's probably not the best example. I think the most important thing to focus on is: will this break DDL?
It's actually a 2HKO, doing around 70.66% - 84.43% to him. The tin bird didn't have much hope against him anyway.
The thing is, we don't know for sure. We don't know what it can and can't do until we play with it. Until then, I'm still against the Elemental beams for reasons I've been repeating over and over.
If we're not sure about something then why don't we just test it and see if it's overpowering or whatnot? We would never know the if your right or wrong until we try.
Basically the same way we had done other debatable moves. Vote to see if it even get pass the community before even allowing it to hit the testing site. Well either way you put it, we would still have to vote on it in order to test it.
I still strongly believe that weaker and lesser used special attacks are okay within it's movepool.
I still strongly believe that weaker and lesser used special attacks are okay within it's movepool.
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