half the playerbase is on vacation mid july + it's like 3 weeks away changing i dont like the idea of changing the date out of the blue like thisI am totally in favor of switching 1v1 World Cup and 1v1 Masters around. World Cup signups starting in almost 2 weeks feels WAY too soon given PL just ended 2 weeks ago and then the long absence of team tours until the next Premier League.
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I think World Cup signups starting on July 4th would be a much appreciated decision!
How does this change from the last 2 years? I am fairly certain World Cup started in June and July the past 2 years. Surely this "out of the blue" change would not dramatically impact the amount or quality of players that signup.half the playerbase is on vacation mid july + it's like 3 weeks away changing i dont like the idea of changing the date out of the blue like this
Asia | Kentari (may not play, didn't for PL) |
India | ToastedBunzzz frostyicelad (probably benched) Raj.Shoot |
NEU | TSC (may not play) Melo (probably busy) Inkreativ (possibly busy) Arai |
SEU | Lancer LBDC XSC STABLE Close gorilaa |
USW | Boat Bandit |
c?o | Landon (potentially) LRXC (busy) |
USS | Edgar Squirtell (not sure) torterraxx pqs Tol |
USE | Jamez Rumia |
Canada | Potatochan (plays every tier) Freddy Kyogre (retired) |
Oceania | Jabiru Bopher Chickenpie2 (unlikely) |
Asia | Euphonos (necromancy required) |
India | Yash (rip) |
NEU | Inkreativ / 187 Fan (both busy) neomon |
SEU | PA ACII Close |
USW | Gym socks! (hates the tier) Trashuny (hates the tier) |
c?o | Urfgurgle Sanshokuinsumireko crucify / zio / LRXC (busy) |
USS | Scholar |
USE | Jamez |
Canada | probably not alone, w/e |
Oceania | Jabiru |
i'm proposing this
ss1
ss2
ss3/multigen
sm
oras
bw
dpp
adv
This lu is the best alternative imo, gonna try and keep it kinda short so people actually read this.
we should have a poll on this but from the discussion i had in the 1v1 cord, everyone agrees that this would be good. As Bopher said, adv has a dedicated playerbase who genuinely enjoy the tier. Dpp is the same, even though it has a bit less of a playerbase, there are people who will play it/can be fed teams from every region. For sm2, the quality of games is weird when an actual sm2 level player is slotted there and slotting between sm1 vs sm2 has way more impact on how the tour goes than if it were just 1 slot. A lot of the sm pool is also unsure if they are going to sign up or not, or can play another tier I listed to a high level. Losing multigen, while a bit annoying for some people, will be beneficial overall, as due to the 'coinflip' nature of the tier, the good multigen players should enjoy playing a tier where they can get wins more consistently. Overall, I think this lineup is the best since it doesn't exclude any groups of players from having a fair go this wc.
Alright, I think its time to put this in the realm of discussion finally, because it seems we are all jumping and avoiding the obvious elephant in the room, which is the potential of ADV 1v1 being in this years edition of World Cup. On a real note, I get this is coming from me, LRXC, and its funny to dog on ADV because of the users its associated with, but please read on without cursorily jumping on the ADV hate train. When multiple users are suggesting 2 Multigen slots, out of a dislike for other options, or most of the options in general, I think its time to bring up the potential of ADV 1v1 taking over one of those slots, and take it seriously. I truly don't think DPP has a discussion here given last PL, and that its a choice between SM2, Multigen, and ADV
I understand that a lot of peoples perception of ADV is negative because of my obnoxiousness regarding the tier, and the fanbase for the tier that has mostly generated because of me. I understand the negative perception as well because of its absence from any team tours, and the fact that the tier is drastically different from the other 1v1 gens, with the pre physical special split, no access to resist berries, choice scarf, choice specs, and the smaller pool of Pokemon.
It strikes me as odd that we are dodging the fact that ADV 1v1 is a competitive tier now, has a player base now, and has quality resources now; I wouldn't have been able to say the same a year ago
I really think ADV 1v1 deserves a slot in World Cup, it deserves a chance. While we can argue about ideas like "unga bunga zapdos is broken, sceptile is too much" I feel like these ideas can't be fully fleshed out and tested out without the environment of a team tournament, because I don't neccesarily fully disagree with these claims. Every metagame had to start somewhere. And most often the people that spout these ideas are the ones who haven't played much ADV 1v1, yet continue to thrash it from the sidelines. And this isn't just for the quality of ADV 1v1, its also and 100% more importantly for the quality of 1v1 Tournaments. I believe Multigen being placed over DPP was a sign that we are moving towards what is the most enjoyable for the widest amount of people in the community, as opposed to following a perceived obligatory tradition, and I believe ADV 1v1 being in WC, for just this year, would also be a step in that direction.
On the note of "who the fuck plays ADV" or "who even plays ADV" here's a list I've compiled with regions. Let me emphasize I'm not claiming everyone on this list would be WOOOOOOO ADV, but still people capable of playing, and I truly think only 2 or so regions would suffer, which is a reality of slots like BW and SS3 anyway(as well as SM2 and DPP if they were chosen). And AGAIN, surely with some excitement if ADV gets into PL, with the incentive to win because its a team tournament, new faces will be up for the challenge in an arguably wide open tier, the addition of ADV in WC would directly increase the interest in the tier and the playerbase, I am confident in that.
- US South: pqs, crow crumbs, QT, OMNIWEEB, TDK,
- US Northeast: , murmdog, deddd, Fraun, Rojo
- South Europe: XSC, neomon, eu, SOULWIND,
- North Europe: D2W, Sificon, Holly, ALlCE,
- US Central: LRXC, urfgurgle, crucify, Hungryfoodies
- US West: Elo Bandit, Blanched, SMB, TJ, Boat, Gym Socks, bo_bobson27, Trashunny,
- Pacific: omi, doc, Euphonos, call me pk, adam,
Give ADV a chance
dppenis
realistically this isnt even that bad. You're acting like we slotted chickenpoggers sh1tttalker69 or tox1c1v1. dpp had yash and morgan, bw had doc1203, ss bo7 had mk007 and smb, ss5 had choccymilk tenzhii and deg, should we remove every slot then? you also ignore the fact that we had newblood like gorilaa and toasted stand out thanks to the sm2 slot, which is really good.We had (no offense) Nar, Arai, Xander fill the that slot