lol I mean hydreigon, sd crawdaunt and a bunch of other stuff don't have counters true, but there's a different between hydreigon with barely manages to 2hko if it carries the appropriate coverage move and hoopa-u which clicks dark pulses and blasts everything besides azu and clef back to bw viability
Last time I checked Specs Hydreigon's Dark Pulse is very hard to switch into, and it also has STAB Draco Meteor to lolstomp everything besides fairies which get 2hkoed by Flash Cannon. Stall better keep Clef alive or it's gonna take a huge chunk from LO Hydreigon with Superpower. Why don't we ban Hydreigon? SD Crawdaunt's +2 Aqua Jet is pretty nasty against offense and Crabhammer/Knock Off make quick work of stall. Quagsire gets 2HKOed and so does Clefable, meaning nothing really stops it besides hoping for a burn. Why don't we ban SD Crawdaunt?
Stuff like Choice Band Terrakion/Rhyperior also fall into this category considering Stone Edge 2HKOes almost the entire metagame and both have a reliable additional STAB that make them extremely hard to switch into. They also have Swords Dance against stall (as shitty as Rhyperior's speed might be). No one went and said "TAN BERRAKION" or "lolrhyperiorbrokenshit". CB Tyrantrum is an even more extreme example of this (it 2hkoes Mega Slowbro after rocks!!!!!), but no one wants to ban it. Mega Heracross/Gallade are stupidly strong, especially once they get a boost, breaking balance like no tomorrow, holding their own against offense via good mixed bulk and Sub (Heracross) or great special bulk and Shadow Sneak (Gallade).
And I'm mentioning lower-ranked Pokemon here, so I don't think I need to go and talk about how ridiculously annoying is CB Azumarill or SD Lando-T for bulky teams. Not all of them can afford to run Skarmory or Mega Venu.
Can I just kindly ask that people stop making irrelevant comparisons to other wallbreakers as if that proves anything? Saying, "If you're going to ban Hoopa-U for having no switch-ins, then you might as well ban Mega Heracross/Kyurem-B/etc." is no better than saying, "If you think that having no switch-ins isn't a good argument for banning something, then you might as well unban Aegislash/Kyogre/etc." These things aren't black and white, yet every time we suspect a powerful wallbreaker, people keep throwing around this same worn out talking point as if they are. There are always other factors at play, and if you actually pay attention to the discussion going on, you'll see that no quality posters are actually arguing that Hoopa-U should be banned solely because it has no counters. So please stop making these sweeping generalizations. They're pointless. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Geezer
wait a minute. Kyogre/Aegislash aren't broken just because of their offensive potential, unlike what the Hoopa-U-probanners are saying; ignoring the Choice sets, look at Kyogre's sexy special defense, access to Calm Mind, and what would be a ridiculous bulky water set with scald and restalk bullshit (also the monoattacker). The support it brings (aka rain and possibly more crap like TWave, Scald burns, etc.) Aegislash is broken not just because of its 150/150 mixed offenses and its SD+3 attacks set, it's also broken because of its ridiculous support movepool, boasting KS and a borked specially defensive set with SubToxic. Hoopa-U I guess has 130 special defense, but with a bad defensive typing and no recovery outside of idk Drain Punch, it can't really go all-out with a more defensive set (even something like AV).
Frankly, Hoopa-U is not broken on the basis that it really is too slow in the current offensive metagame; unlike previously broken shit like Mega Maw/Mence/whatever it doesn't have priority, DD bullshit, recovery, a great typing, whatever. It tends to get forced out or die after making a kill.