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The UU Role Comparison Project
Credit to Theorymon for the OP and idea
Have you ever pinpointed a Pokémon on one of your teams, where you find it's role to be extremely useful for your team, but wonder "man, if only there was a similar Pokémon that had more manageable flaws for my team"? If so, this is the thread for you! Believe it or not, there tend to be a lot more Pokémon that can achieve a certain role than you think, but often times, these Pokémon are obscure, or they may be common Pokémon using an unusual set, so the people who are looking for such a "role replacement" may end up never finding it!
This thread aims to fix that problem! The main goal of this thread is to highlight certain underrated Pokémon sets, by comparing them to more common Pokémon who fulfill similar roles, both the advantages and the disadvantages! This way, people who feel like their team could use with some changes can get some tips from this thread, or if they are just making a team with certain roles in mind, they can be exposed to some Pokémon that deserve more usage! Also, don't worry if you can't think of any good examples, commenting on examples already mentioned to incite discussion is fine too!
Here's to get you guys started. Feel free to use the same format, since it gets right to the point, but if you feel the need to deviate a bit, that's fine too!
Heracross as a Choice Scarf user vs. Mienshao
Heracross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake / Night Slash
Heracross's Advantages:
1. Moxie Heracross can gain power as he revenge kills a certain Pokemon. With the Attack boosts gained per every kill, Heracross can also blow through the team with its power to be a sweeper
2. Megahorn This means Heracross can also legitimately deal some serious damage to Mew and Azelf, which Mienshao cannot do (and has to resort to U-turn to do so). This also means Heracross can deal some more damage to Shaymin than what Mienshao can do.
3. Better bulk Not that big of an advantage, but this means Heracross is capable of taking a hit or two, while Mienshao folds to even the lightest of Attacks, Heracross can sometimes take at least one neutral hit
Heracross's Disadvantages:
1. Lower Speed While Mienshao has the luxury of outpacing every Choice Scarf user in UU with its cookie-cutter Scarf set, Heracross often finds itself outpaced by Scarf Raikou, Scarf Flygon, and some other revenge killers. Mienshao, on the other hand, is faster than everything in UU bar the rare Acrotile and thus is a more useful revenge killer in general
2. Weaker STAB move Heracross's Close Combat still isn't quite as powerful as Mienshao's Reckless boosted Hi Jump Kick, meaning Heracross doesn't always hit as hard
3. Lack of U-turn Mienshao can switch right out of predicted switches to Nidoqueen and Cofagrigus, which means it can then immediately resort to a teammate to remove its counters. Heracross can't do this, and is forced to switch out if it mispredicts a Queen/Cofag switch-in.
Discuss.
Role Comparison Archive:
Heracross vs. Krookodile as a Choice Scarf Moxie cleaner
Sharpedo vs. Yanmega as a Speed Boost cleaner
Mew vs. Bisharp as a Swords Dance stallbreaker
Galvantula vs. Zapdos as an Offensive Electric-type
Cradily vs. Rhyperior as a Rock-type Utility Pokemon
Swellow vs. Crobat as a fast physical Flying-type
Shaymin vs. Roserade as a special Grass-type
Druddigon vs. Flygon as a Choice Banded Dragon-type
Moltres vs. Chandelure as a special Fire-type
Crustle vs. Rhyperior as a Stealth Rock Rock-type
Quagsire vs. Swampert as a bulky Water / Ground type
Slowking vs. Slowbro as a bulky Water-type
Zapdos vs. Raikou as an offensive Electric-type
Piloswine vs. Rhyperior as a bulky Ground-type
Azelf vs. Mew as a Nasty Plot sweeper
Crustle vs. Froslass as a suicide hazards setter
Umbreon vs. Togekiss as defensive support Pokemon
Snorlax vs. Zweilous as a bulky parashuffler
Weezing vs. Cofagrigus as a physical wall
Qwilfish vs. Slowbro as a bulky Fighting-type counter
Darmanitan vs. Victini as a fast Fire-type
Porygon-Z vs. Chandelure as a Choice Specs wallbreaker
Meloetta vs. Mew as a Psychic-type
Lilligant vs. Roserade as an offensive Grass-type
Rotom-H vs. Raikou as a Choiced Electric-type
Cobalion vs. Heracross as general Fighting-types
Suicine vs. Slowbro as a bulky Calm Mind Water-type
Mismagius vs. Cofagrigus as a specially offensive Ghost-type
Feraligatr vs. Azumarill as a physical Water-type
Porygon2 vs. Snorlax as a bulky Normal-type
Escavalier vs. Heracross as a CB Bug-type
Aggron vs. Rhyperior as a CB Rock-type
Scolipede vs. Heracross as a Bug-type SD sweeper
Rotom-C vs. Shaymin as a special Grass-type
The Big Three Spikers Comparison
Dusclops vs. Cofagrigus as a defensive Ghost-type
Beheeyem vs. Cofagrigus as a special TR sweeper
Credit to Theorymon for the OP and idea
Have you ever pinpointed a Pokémon on one of your teams, where you find it's role to be extremely useful for your team, but wonder "man, if only there was a similar Pokémon that had more manageable flaws for my team"? If so, this is the thread for you! Believe it or not, there tend to be a lot more Pokémon that can achieve a certain role than you think, but often times, these Pokémon are obscure, or they may be common Pokémon using an unusual set, so the people who are looking for such a "role replacement" may end up never finding it!
This thread aims to fix that problem! The main goal of this thread is to highlight certain underrated Pokémon sets, by comparing them to more common Pokémon who fulfill similar roles, both the advantages and the disadvantages! This way, people who feel like their team could use with some changes can get some tips from this thread, or if they are just making a team with certain roles in mind, they can be exposed to some Pokémon that deserve more usage! Also, don't worry if you can't think of any good examples, commenting on examples already mentioned to incite discussion is fine too!
Here's to get you guys started. Feel free to use the same format, since it gets right to the point, but if you feel the need to deviate a bit, that's fine too!
Heracross as a Choice Scarf user vs. Mienshao
Heracross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake / Night Slash
Heracross's Advantages:
1. Moxie Heracross can gain power as he revenge kills a certain Pokemon. With the Attack boosts gained per every kill, Heracross can also blow through the team with its power to be a sweeper
2. Megahorn This means Heracross can also legitimately deal some serious damage to Mew and Azelf, which Mienshao cannot do (and has to resort to U-turn to do so). This also means Heracross can deal some more damage to Shaymin than what Mienshao can do.
3. Better bulk Not that big of an advantage, but this means Heracross is capable of taking a hit or two, while Mienshao folds to even the lightest of Attacks, Heracross can sometimes take at least one neutral hit
Heracross's Disadvantages:
1. Lower Speed While Mienshao has the luxury of outpacing every Choice Scarf user in UU with its cookie-cutter Scarf set, Heracross often finds itself outpaced by Scarf Raikou, Scarf Flygon, and some other revenge killers. Mienshao, on the other hand, is faster than everything in UU bar the rare Acrotile and thus is a more useful revenge killer in general
2. Weaker STAB move Heracross's Close Combat still isn't quite as powerful as Mienshao's Reckless boosted Hi Jump Kick, meaning Heracross doesn't always hit as hard
3. Lack of U-turn Mienshao can switch right out of predicted switches to Nidoqueen and Cofagrigus, which means it can then immediately resort to a teammate to remove its counters. Heracross can't do this, and is forced to switch out if it mispredicts a Queen/Cofag switch-in.
Discuss.
Role Comparison Archive:
Heracross vs. Krookodile as a Choice Scarf Moxie cleaner
Sharpedo vs. Yanmega as a Speed Boost cleaner
Mew vs. Bisharp as a Swords Dance stallbreaker
Galvantula vs. Zapdos as an Offensive Electric-type
Cradily vs. Rhyperior as a Rock-type Utility Pokemon
Swellow vs. Crobat as a fast physical Flying-type
Shaymin vs. Roserade as a special Grass-type
Druddigon vs. Flygon as a Choice Banded Dragon-type
Moltres vs. Chandelure as a special Fire-type
Crustle vs. Rhyperior as a Stealth Rock Rock-type
Quagsire vs. Swampert as a bulky Water / Ground type
Slowking vs. Slowbro as a bulky Water-type
Zapdos vs. Raikou as an offensive Electric-type
Piloswine vs. Rhyperior as a bulky Ground-type
Azelf vs. Mew as a Nasty Plot sweeper
Crustle vs. Froslass as a suicide hazards setter
Umbreon vs. Togekiss as defensive support Pokemon
Snorlax vs. Zweilous as a bulky parashuffler
Weezing vs. Cofagrigus as a physical wall
Qwilfish vs. Slowbro as a bulky Fighting-type counter
Darmanitan vs. Victini as a fast Fire-type
Porygon-Z vs. Chandelure as a Choice Specs wallbreaker
Meloetta vs. Mew as a Psychic-type
Lilligant vs. Roserade as an offensive Grass-type
Rotom-H vs. Raikou as a Choiced Electric-type
Cobalion vs. Heracross as general Fighting-types
Suicine vs. Slowbro as a bulky Calm Mind Water-type
Mismagius vs. Cofagrigus as a specially offensive Ghost-type
Feraligatr vs. Azumarill as a physical Water-type
Porygon2 vs. Snorlax as a bulky Normal-type
Escavalier vs. Heracross as a CB Bug-type
Aggron vs. Rhyperior as a CB Rock-type
Scolipede vs. Heracross as a Bug-type SD sweeper
Rotom-C vs. Shaymin as a special Grass-type
The Big Three Spikers Comparison
Dusclops vs. Cofagrigus as a defensive Ghost-type
Beheeyem vs. Cofagrigus as a special TR sweeper