i remember playing him and getting swept by linoone the first game, but the next 3 times i played him he lost badly each time. It can bea surprise one time, but once you know its coming its really the easiest thing in the world to stop
a +6 return easily KO's offensive Kyogre, and if you use Seed Bomb you KO defensive ones too. Seed Bomb should also KO offensive Groudon but I'm not so sure.Besides that I doubt it can KO a Kyogre or various other bulky sweepers.
There's Scizor, Lucario, and Metagross too (though ES OHKOes Luke-if you stuck with ES). Deoxys-A tooYou know, now that I think about it Belly Drum, Return, Seed Bomb, Shadow Claw is probably best in ubers, because priority really isn't all that common besides Rayquaza, and a +1 outruns nearly any Uber.
So the Deoxys-A did have Extremespeed. That would've ended the Linoone sweep.Deoxys-f used Extremespeed.
Deoxys-e lost 42% of its health.
Pirika's Deoxys-e fainted.
meh, groudon leads aren't to common not to mention deo still gets an ensured SR down, scarfkrai leads can still induce you, imo I wouldn't use it as a lead or sweeper, there's just to much shit that can switch in even in the sun (ie kyogre, palkia) not to mention the dreaded latis who are faster then the orbed variant and shrug off fire moves with relative easeI havent played Ubers in a while, but one pokemon that i found worked was a MixApe [with LO of course]. Under sun, Fire Blast will pretty much kill anything that doesnt resist it, i cant remember too much, but what do you guys think?
Also, now that i think about it, would a Choice Specs/Band Infernape lead work?
~Mach Punch / Vacuum Wave
~Close Combat / Fire Blast / Flamethrower
~Stone Edge? / Grass Knot
~U-Turn / ?
That analogy is good, but it should be modified. It's like chess, but the composition of the chess armies matters, of course.reachzero said:I find the relative predictability of Ubers to be one of its strengths. As I've said before, it's rather like chess...
The account "Ultimifiertest" has gotten to #5, but I took that as a challenge and bumped my Lagtester account to #4 ^_^and fuck, how do i get top 5 on the leaderboard. i havent lost since friday, and ive only gone up 100 points. im pissed
This is my favorite quotes. The metagame is ridiculously centralized upon certain things that it opens up room for loopholes to discover. Wobbuffet's popularity alone is the result of this. For a more extreme example, Delibird lead actually somewhat works because of this loophole. Don't quote me on this though.Pastor said:I find the relative predictability of Ubers to be one of its strengths
:(I think I'll go back to OU, but I'll definitely take the skills I learned in Ubers with me.
I would think that by now, everything that can be discovered has been.:( and other stuff
With ubers have such a massive movepool, there's got to be viable sets out there that haven't been discovered yet, or that will become viable as the metagame changes. It took a while for Giratina-O to become popular, and Wobbuffet and Lucario, despite being viable for a long time, were never really used for an extremely long time. And seeing how Ubers is so predictable, this makes the job easier. Same can go for OU to a lesser extent; Grass Knot may become popularised on lead Azelf to OHKO Swampert and Hippowdon. I'm waiting for someone to be the Theorymon for Latios.I would think that by now, everything that can be discovered has been.
This was pre-Platinum. Stall was more viable here. Giratina-O wasn't around, and Scizor, Garchomp and Lucario weren't used often. Deoxys-S was still OU, so if you wanted Spikes as well, you had to use a stall team. Most Groudons were supporting Groudon. Some even had Fire Punch over Dragon Claw + 2 supporting moves just for Forry. Blissey was very common, and was more than once in the #3 position for usage. Lugia and Latias were also more common than what they are now.I have a question: I came to Ubers recently, and so I wasn't around during the age in which stall was in vogue due to the discovery of the value of Toxic Spikes. When this happened, were "Cro" variants of Dialga and Kyogre popular or not?
Spiritomb has use in Ubers as a specific counter, like Quagsire and Parasect for Kyogre. The problem is that it's mainly outclassed by Scizor, who also counters what Spiritomb does, and can actually do something else. Scizor has U-turn, more reliable priority, and better typing to make up for bad defenses in Uber terms, but Spiritomb doesn't. Spiritomb would be much better if Sucker Punch could stop Deoxys-S from setting up Spikes, Mewtwo from setting up Substitute, and Mew from Baton Passing. You could try for some surprises with Shadow Sneak, which with Pursuit, can destroy these aforementioned threats. Spiritomb can also upset the opponent with Will-O-Wisp, preventing the opponent from setting up on it, and Pain Split to take a big chunk out of the opposing Pokemon.. hey, Spiritomb can actually work.And I read in the Ubers battling guide that Spiritomb is the good counter to Deo-A (Sucker Punch, Pursuit) provided that you have sun support to deal with Thunder. Is it worth looking into?
I am taking this as a challenge. Latios is quite underrated and can be extremely deadly. :)I'm waiting for someone to be the Theorymon for Latios.