Terrakion (Analysis)

HP Ice is a viable option on the Scarf set as a neutral nature, 0 SAtk HP Ice does a lot do Gliscor. (55.37% to 65.54% to 252/0 Gliscor, pretty good chance do 2HKO even with Poison Heal)

It's worthless on any other set (on the analysis, Work Up is okay ;p), though. CB Stone Edge with a Jolly nature gets nearly the same damage on 252/252 Impish Gliscor, but fares a lot better against most other targets (God Forbid you misspredict that HP Ice) and SD Stone Edgeis even stronger.
 
So I hate necroing but... Is this even getting written up? Terrakion is among the biggest OU Pokemon this generation and knowing that I thought it was going to be written up fast. Only reason I'm asking is because OP hasn't been updated since like May.
 

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Cecil made this Terrakion set, so all credit goes to him / her.

I saw this set on WishMKR:

name: Work Up
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Justified
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 232 Atk / 24 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 31 / 30 / 30 / 31 / 31 / 31
~ Work Up
~ Close Combat
~ Stone Edge
~ Hidden Power Ice

It works by using Work Up to boost both its Attack and Special Attack, then attacking with its boosted stats. If a Gliscor just so happens to pop in this Terrakion's path, Hidden POUWER Ice takes it down, dealing a minimum of 100% to it. After that, it usually is free to continue its sweep. My only contribution to this set is the slashing of Air Balloon alongside Life Orb to allow for easier set-up, although that might cost this Terrakion a few KOs.
I'm inclined to say it's a bit gimmicky because Work Up is basically a huge warning that HP Ice is incoming and with your Attack only at +1 you'll struggle to smash through other physical walls.

If you really want Gliscor out of the way, just use the basic Double Dance set but use Rock Gem over Life Orb/Air Balloon.

+2 Rock Gem Stone Edge vs 252/184+ Gliscor = 88% - 105%

Unlike the Work Up set it also has utility beyond Gliscor by OHKOing 252/252+ Slowbro after Stealth Rock about 3/4 of the time and doing other cool shit but obviously the Gems do have huge drawbacks that I'm sure I don't need to explain here.
 
Who here was whining about Sacred Sword being an inferior option? The ability to ignore defense boosts, combined with it being physical and STABed, means it is a poor man's stallbreaker move. You lose KOs if you try to make it a sweeper, yeah, but this guy is intended to break down walls that think they can boost their defense in your face, and you still have that wide movepool and Rock STAB. Sandstorm is also welcome support in case of random bulky waters that want to try to ruin this musketeer's day by giving him a quiet SDef boost and possibly turn some OHKOs into 2HKOs, and an extra chance to leave one's mark, particularly with a high crit move like Stone Edge, is always welcome.

Terrakion also has the unique ability to outspeed all weather changers, especially with the Scarf set. By this logic, if you're using the wallbreaker set, Excadrill is a good partner for general sweeping, and if Drought Ninetales comes out to ruin his day, in comes Terrakion to take the Fire Blast (will have to run calcs) and threatens to outspeed and KO the mangy fox, often netting a free turn of set-up in the process. You might want to have Excadrill set up his own sand, though, in order to avoid half your team being Water-weak.
 
which pokemon ever boost defenses?
mmm, mostly all psychic types. There's the slight problem that all of them except Cosmic Power Jirachi resist Holy Sword though, so it's only use is if you don't want to drop your defenses with CC.

Only use it may see would be against Curse Cradily, Snorlax (rare)
 
On the checks and counters section, I was wondering about adding Scizor and Roobushin on the checks and counters list, since they seem to be significantly higher threats to ending Terrakion's sweep compared to the counters the analysis has listed below.

(Slowbro and Gliscor take heavy damage from stone edge, and I'm not really sure if Slowbro's surf OHKOs Terrakion, so yea)
 
On the checks and counters section, I was wondering about adding Scizor and Roobushin on the checks and counters list, since they seem to be significantly higher threats to ending Terrakion's sweep compared to the counters the analysis has listed below.

(Slowbro and Gliscor take heavy damage from stone edge, and I'm not really sure if Slowbro's surf OHKOs Terrakion, so yea)
Agree with the mention of Scizor and Conkeldurr. There are others, but they are the most common with a super effective priority.

As for Slowbro, what makes it easier for him is Regeneration. Also, no, he doesn't OHKO with Surf (using the standard spreads), but with the burn rate from Scald combined with the miss rate of Stone Edge makes him better suited than other bulky waters to try to hold Terrakion off.
 
i find to be using a swords dance jolly set as a good one but to me terrakion isint as popular as he was in this years VGCS but with banded or plus 2 attack ferrothorn can really kiss this guys ass
 

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[SET]
name: Double Booster
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Swords Dance
move 3: Close Combat
move 4: Stone Edge
item: Air Balloon / Life Orb
nature: Jolly / Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Why is an Adamant nature slashed here? Terrakion needs Jolly if it's not using Rock Polish. In situations where you're only using one boosting move the Swords Dancer is checked by the entire base 100 speed tier.
 
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Not the most in-depth outline ever, but Terrakion is pretty straightforward and I just wanted to breeze through this part so that I can get to writing it up immediately....
I lol'd.

I know you guys higher up on the "Smogon hierarchy" are busy and all, but is this analysis (and others like Deoxys-S, Slowbro, Breloom, and Zoroark) ever getting written up? According to the OP, the last time this was was edited was May 18th. It is now August 4th. Terrakion (and the others I mentioned) are fairly important in the metagame and ought to have their analysis complete. Yes, he's fairly simple to use, but that should make this analysis even easier to write and finish, am I right? Had this been anyone but Jabba, this particular analysis would have been locked, re-assigned, and completed a long time ago.

Sorry if I appear to be a jerk to anyone, as that was not intended. I'd just like to see Terrakion and friends finished instead of being "forgotten" in this B/W analysis blitz.
 
This'll be my first post(yay !)


name: Double Booster
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Swords Dance
move 3: Close Combat
move 4: Stone Edge
item: Air Balloon
nature: Adamant
EVs: 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Spe


IMO that should be the set. And ill explain why.


Obviously this guy is a beast and is meant to come in and force a switch. ie heatran. etc. and theyll probably always go to gliscor . So.

You rock polish as they switch.
they bring in gliscor.
You sword dance.
They ice fang to break balloon.
You stone edge.
they earthquake.
You stone edge again.



With the given EVs and nature. You outspeed jolly exca in sand by 2 or 3 points(cant remember). You 2hko gliscor . While living a ice fang to pop your balloon and a earthquake from him.

Obviously priority will end the sweep afterwards but if scizor/conk arent there or are already dead. This guys gonna tear a team apart.
 

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no because i talked to colonel_m and i'm working on it

it's not like we're in a rush here. cool your jets. (i admit it probably should have been done by now but "whatever," i tend to lack motivation when there's no reason to do anything)
 

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[20:52] <@JabbaTheGriffin> if i don't get it up by tuesday i'll just pass off the work i already have done to someone who can finish it up

Jabba wanted me to post this so someone can volunteer if he doesn't have time.
 

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Yeah just wanna say this is undoubtedly hilariously terrible procrastination on my part~ Sorry to you C&C bros. I'll try my best to knock the rest out since I really do think I have a good handle on how to write the rest of it, but if not I'll just pass over what I have to NatGeo. Don't ever let me reserve an analysis again though -_-
 
Bloo, I knew Scizor was cool, but I didn't know he was THAT cool. Nice picture. More to the point, I used a Life Orb Swords Dance Terrak and I did pretty well, but I found that I preferred Cobalion.
 

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Okey dokey, popped this badboy out during my corporations class and my antitrust class booya. Let me know if I'm lacking in a few spots I'll fix it up. I'm sure there are a few grammar problems but woo done besides that~

Few notes:
Made Sacred Sword/Quick Attack the main 4th option on CB because EQ is absolutely terrible on Terrakion and both have much better situational utility.
Dropped it on Scarf for the same reasons.
 
No one mon should have all that power.

GP checking. And we're done.

Looks good. The few lines where you're joking around, I tried to clean up the grammar while leaving alone the tone. In case you're wondering.

[Overview]

<p>Part of the new legendary foursome (don't forget PONY,about Keldeo, people!), Terrakion boasts a unique type combination with Fighting/Rock and some pretty beastly base stats to take advantage of the great dual STABs.it offensively. The great type coverage granted by those STABsits STAB attacks alone essentially allows Terrakion to essentially do whatever it wants with its last two moveslots. Because of these factors, Terrakion can be one of the best boostersstat-boosters in the game, it can be one of the best Choice BandersBand users in the game, and it can be one of the best Choice Scarfed revenge killers in the game.game when equipped with a Choice Scarf. With this offensive diversity, Terrakion is one of the best offensive threats in the game that every team should be prepared for, and everyone should consider using.</p>

[SET]
name: Double Booster
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Swords Dance
move 3: Close Combat
move 4: Stone Edge
item: Air Balloon / Life Orb
nature: Jolly / Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>As mentioned in the Overview, Terrakion has amazing dual STABsoffensive typing, and enough bulk to allow itcombined with its bulk, has the freedom to most notably do what very few other Pokemon in the game are able to: run a double boosting set. This givegives Terrakion the versatility to be a fantastic weapon against both offensive and defensive teams. Against offensive teams, Terrakion'sRock Polish allows Terrakion to use its great STABs combined withSTAB attacks and the boost from Life Orb allows it to run through them after getting the Rock Polish it needs to outspeed everything.them. Against slower, defensive teams, Terrakion can amplify hisits raw power with a Swords Dance, since it is unlikely to require the Speed boost. Also, it isn't that uncommon to find yourself in a situation where you are able to boost both Speed and Attack.</p>

<p>Air Balloon versus Life Orb is the biggest question you have to ask yourself when using Double Boosting Terrakion. Air Balloon is extremely useful for setting up in those frequent situations where you need to avoid an Earthquake. The two most obvious scenarios are getting an extra boost against Gliscor and serving as somewhat of an Excadrill check that can threaten a late game sweep, insweep—in the absence of a Rock Slide flinch, of course. Life Orb, on the other hand, adds to Terrakion's raw power, allowing it to nail a number of KOs that it normally wouldn't get. It really comes down to personal preference and which item is best suited for your team. Choose wisely!</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Whether to choose Adamant or Jolly is another difficult choice.problem. Jolly is preferred for the ability to outspeed plus-Speed Base 100s before a Rock Polish boost, and to tie other base 108s, most prominently Virizion, Infernape, and obviously other Terrakion. The power boost from Adamant is very welcome, however. So if you're fine losing the jump on a few notable Pokemon, feel free to go with that. You could also run a slightly bulkier spread with LeftiesLeftovers if that floats your boat. However, the standard 4/252/2524 HP /252 Atk / 252 Spe spread generally works best for Terrakion.</p>best.</p>

<p>Terrakion already has fantastic coverage with its two STABs,STAB attacks, but you can always drop one of the boosting moves for a coverage move, the best option being X-Scissor. X-Scissor gives you a slightly stronger, 100% accurate move against a few of the PsychicsPsychic-types that can slow Terrakion down a bit (especially Claydol). Earthquake is generally a terrible option sinceoption, as its coverage is extremely redundant when combined with Close Combat, so don't run that on this set.</p>

<p>Terrakion can function as botheither the Pokemon that opens holes for the rest of your team, or the Pokemon that takes advantage of the holes opened by other threatening sweepers. Generally, the best sweepers to pair with Terrakion are other Pokemonthose that fare well in sand. Landorus and Excadrill are the two prominent sweepers that come to mind. Landorus can stick Hidden Power Ice on its set to take out Gliscor or run Swords Dance and Life Orb to absolutely decimateslaughter Slowbro or Reuniclus. [COMMENT: Nit-picky I know but decimate literally means to reduce by 10%.] Terrakion itself can muscle its way through Gliscor to freeGliscor, which allows Excadrill to have a field day. SinceBecause Terrakion shares a number of weaknesses with either two of those sweepers, you also should also consider pairing Terrakion with some sweepers that offer nice resistance pairing. Something likeresistance-pairing. Choices include Gyarados, which resists Fighting, Water, Steel,Fighting-, Water-, Steel-, and is immune to GroundGround-type attacks; or Latios, whowhich also provides several compatible resistances while potentially baiting DarkDark-type attacks.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: X-Scissor
move 4: Sacred Sword / Quick Attack
item: Choice Band
nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Stop me if I'm talking too much about how great Terrakion's STABs are,offensive typing is, but the Choice Band set truly exemplifies just how fantastic they reallyits STAB attacks are. Choice Band Terrakion essentially boils down to "clickto, "Click its appropriate STAB attack for the situation and watch things take massive amounts of damage." Additional factors likefactors, such as great Speed, a resistance to Stealth Rock resistance,Rock, and solid bulk make Terrakion arguably the best Choice BanderBand user in the OU metagame.</p>

<p>Because of just how ballingspectacular Terrakion's STABsSTAB attacks are, the last two moves in the set serve a very limited function. X-Scissor hits the bulky PsychicsPsychic-types a bit harder than Stone Edge does, while also having the upside of being 100% accurate. Sacred Sword is a solid option in the fourth moveslot for situations wherein which you want to utilizeuse your FightingFighting-type STAB attack without being forced to lower your defenses. Quick Attack, normally a terrible option on just about everything that learns it, is somewhat viable on Terrakion just becauseTerrakion. Because Terrakion doesn't need a coverage move in that last slot, so Quick Attack becomes a solid situationalsituational, last resort move if you need to knock that last 15% off Latios.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Earthquake is extremely redundant with Close Combat, but it nails a couple things slightly harder and doesn't lower your defenses. However, since unSTABbed Choicebecause Choice-locked Earthquake without STAB is generally a terrible option to lock yourselfTerrakion into, you're generally better off with Sacred Sword as your situational move of choice. Rock Slide is also a viable option sinceoption, as it allows you to take advantage of a higher accuracy version of your RockRock-type STAB attack while also being able to fish for a flinch if you ever need one.</p>

<p>You generally don't want to lower a non-Rock Polish Terrakion's speed sincebecause it sits at a number where dropping from Jolly to Adamant will leave it outsped by a good amount of threats (as well as losing the speed tie with Virizion and Infernape), but on Choice Band Terrakion, the extra power can be very welcome against Pokemon likesuch as Gliscor and Slowbro.</p>

<p>The same Pokemon that pair up well with the Double Boosting set also pair well with Choice Band Terrakion. The Choice Bander,In this case, however, Terrakion is generally best suited as the Pokemon that does the damage necessary to open holes in the opponent's team. The sheer damage that even bulkier Pokemon like Gliscor take from Terrakion's STABs makeSTAB attacks makes it nearly impossible for those defensive Pokemon to be able to stay around long enough to wall the subsequent Excadrill or Landorus.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: X-Scissor
move 4: Rock Slide / Sacred Sword
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Many of the same reasonsfactors that make Terrakion an amazing Choice BanderBand user lend themselves to also making Terrakion one of the best Choice ScarfersScarf users in the game.game as well. Its blazing speed allows it to safely revenge kill some of the biggest threats in the game, including Deoxys-S (but unfortunately not Excadrill, what a bummer),Excadrill), a milestone that many viable ScarfersChoice Scarf users fall short of. The moves are self-explanatory if you read the Choice Band set. The fourth slot isis, once againagain, essentially useless, so run whatever you feel like. Rock Slide is the first option merely because the extremely fast flinch is sure to save you more than other options for that last slot could.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Once again, Adamant is an option over Jolly, and even more viable on the Scarfer.with a Choice Scarf. But still, losing the jump on several key Pokemon is rarely worth the extra power. Earthquake is a terrible option againoption, again, for doing slightly more damage to Jirachi, or Muk,Jirachi or...Muk, or something. You could still run Quick Attack in thatthe last slot to pick off thosethreatening Pokemon at low health Pokemon...I'mhealth...I'm just kidding pleasekidding. Please don't do that.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>I'm sure you've already looked through Terrakion's moveset and gone "whoathought, "Whoa, it learns Calm Mind!" Yes, yes it does learn Calm Mind. It's arguably Terrakion's best set ever,set; however, for some reason, the C&amp;CQuality Control guys won't let me list it first in this analysis. In a similar, actually serious this time, vein, Terrakion also learns Work Up. The only use for it would be to lure Gliscor into a +1 Hidden Power Ice. The problem with that beingidea is that using Work Up on the switchas your opponent switches to Gliscor is a dead giveaway that you're rocking HPyou've chosen to use Hidden Power Ice. If you want Terrakion to act as a Gliscor lure, you're much better just pumping a ton of EVs into Special Attack so that it doesn't see it coming until it's already dead.</p>

<p>Terrakion also learns Taunt, which obviously makes a Taunt/Swords Dance set an option. However, most of Terrakion's counters are simply going to attack it straight out attack it,out, meaning there are very few situations wherein which Taunt would be anywhere near useful. Maybe against Skarmory I guess?Skarmory? Yeah, I guess.</p>guess so.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Gliscor and Slowbro are generally your worst enemies. Unless you're using them to counter Terrakion...then they're probably your best friends. The Swords Dance and Choice Band sets can put huge dents into the both of them, and sometimes straight-up beat them (thoughthem—though oftentimes youyou'll have to rely on hitting two Stone Edges in a row).row. That's one of the most frustrating things about countering Terrakion: sincebecause it has great STABsSTAB attacks and hits so hard, that even its "counters" have trouble handling it. Jellicent and Reuniclus can also handle Terrakion to a slight degree. Hippowdon handles it about as well as Gliscor does and has Slack Off to stick around longer.</p>for more time.</p>

<p>If you want to reach down tointo UU, you can actually find a couple Pokemon that shut down Terrakion better than anything in OU can. Nidoqueen and Golurk are just about full stops to Terrakion. Claydol shuts down most Terrakion, though make sure you don't get caught on the wrong end of a Choice BandBand-boosted X-Scissor.</p>

<p>Terrakion can be hard to check just because of its great speed. Scizor and Azumarill are two Choice BandersBand users that can stop any Terrakion set dead in its tracks with their STAB priority.priority attacks. Latios and Latias both outspeed it before a Rock Polish boost and threaten an OHKO with Psyshock. Excadrill can do the same with Earthquake in Sand,sand, though make sure you break the potential Air Balloon first!</p>

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Why is an Adamant nature slashed here? Terrakion needs Jolly if it's not using Rock Polish. In situations where you're only using one boosting move the Swords Dancer is checked by the entire base 100 speed tier.
Jabba, could you please address my previous post? This should be fixed before GP attacks.
 

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adamant is slashed because if you arent running swords dance, then you want more power.
 

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