i share the exact same opinion (or even that tera has gotten much worse) as my previous tera thread and suspect test posts, if you want to read them:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...ex-where-do-we-stand-now.3717734/post-9537100
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-national-dex-suspect-1-crystals.3712562/post-9434960
and also echo the other ban posts in this thread, no point beating a dead horse. what i want to adress are some of the more thought out dnb posts
e: this turns out to be literally 1/3 of the dnb posts lol, funny
How long do you want to wait lol? After NDPL? After Circuit Champs? Next year??? How long more do you want to subject the tier to deal with this quite obviously concerning mechanic. It has been
6 MONTHS since the last suspect test, a whole half a year, half a year of bans, half a year of the mechanic only getting worse and worse, a whole team tour gone through and multiple indivs. Half a year of development, how much more do you need to see the obvious issue. Too early in the circuit? When would you prefer it instead lol, towards the end, and have the playoff makers play a completely different metagame to what they have been playing with the past year? Too close to home? Its been two weeks since home, and one of the new home mons was quickbanned anyways lol, 2-3 new relevant mons do not completely flip over the meta to warrant delaying a test. Saying its too early now is a cop out response, now is the perfect time to do it, doing it any later would be a horrible decision. There is nothing more to wait for, it is not too early, 6 months is more than enough development and “adaptation”.
The Pokemon using Tera are broken because of Tera, the moveset they have access to is broken because of Tera. Tell me the last time Polteageist was broken? Tell me the last time Cresselia was broken, hell, when was the last time either of these were even good, or even relevant? the answer is never lol. The latter even got nerfed stat wise this gen, as well as the addition of a lot of new on paper counterplay like Ghold and Gambit, I wonder why its broken now? Stop trying to blame the moves, we have had them for decades and they were never broken, infact in some cases they even got worse, whats broken is the mechanic introduced to make these mons broken. Blaming the moves is a cop out argument and blinding yourself to the truth. If you think tera is fine just say that, no need to beat around the bush blaming shit like stored power lol. Re: the pokemon, outside of a few new mons introduced which are questionable to some since we have never had them in a teraless meta / they were banned in one (pult, zama, val, ghold, sneas, garg, gambit), i dont want to go into specifics about each of the mons (unless you really need me too lol) but most of these mons completely hinge on tera to cause the issues they cause (garg, sneas, zama, ghold), and some like (val pult gambit) may not completely rely on tera but they make would-be soft checks not relevant (spd lando for pult, av torn for val and pult, lop for gambit etc) and some (gambit) let u just completely flip the matchup on what would normally be a hard counter or check. Everything else, from all the things banned already, to everything that people complain about because of tera are 100% not broken in any way shape or form without tera, i would even go to lengths to say that everything that we currently have (and a lot of the things we have qbanned) would be perfectly fine without tera. The mons are not the problem, if this is your argument you have either never touched the tier (which i know you have) or your trying not to see for yourself the underlying issue in all of these.
Idk one of the most one sided surveys we’ve ever had for Tera, our playerbase is still one of the biggest on the entire site, comparing it to literally the biggest meta on the site is ???? we have more than enough players, and they have spoken. What more is there to develop? Everyone playing these tours seem to agree that tera should go, i am quite sure no one wants to “develop” the meta even more, all that comes up every week with this is some new broken mon with tera.
I hate hate hate when people use terms like “generation-defining mechanic” to put tera or other stuff on a pedestal, this mechanic should not be any different from suspecting anything else, this and any other idolising descriptors should not be anywhere on a dnb post, this was a ignored joke argument when dmax was suspected, and it was when people wanted to suspect z moves in sm. i really hope i do not have to see more people bringing stuff like this up.
Whats a bit more time is that frankly people want to enjoy this tier as much as they can for as long as they can lol, gamefreak is popping out games every morning, in 2+ more years were all going to ditch this meta for a new one, why waste one whole circuit on a meta state the community dislikes a lot and ruin the quality of tours further on? Last test was one vote off, with multiple “joke” votes, multiple people changing their minds (vocally), as well as a good bit of the dnb voted (at least vocally) was due to it being “too early” and other similiar reasons, that, alomgside with the quite overwhelming survey as well as 2 tera threads being 95% ban i think is gathering enough well-informed votes.
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Genuinely confused. Did you misread the question? What has changed? What was changed was 20 million bans, the discovery that demon sweepers were broken, home introducing new mons, huge meta changes due to the bans. I sincerely hope you just misread the question, because this answer is a joke lol. Meta is like night and day, we literally had shit like revcats right before the first test and the usual start of gen unbans. Please clarify this somewhere.