I'm surprised at the lack of Choice Band Pert. Aqua Tail / Stone Edge / Superpower / Earthquake lalala
Aren't we not supposed to discuss what tiers pokes are gonna fall into in these threads?So what tier are we predicting Swampert will fall in this generation? OU again?
Why should one be surprised? It lacks priority, speed and U-turn/Volt Change, not to mention that a misprediction with those subpar STAB moves can easily give your opponent an oppurtunity to set up.I'm surprised at the lack of Choice Band Pert. Aqua Tail / Stone Edge / Superpower / Earthquake lalala
And it makes up for it with bulk, high attack, and actually very good STABs.Why should one be surprised? It lacks priority, speed and U-turn/Volt Change, not to mention that a misprediction with those subpar STAB moves can easily give your opponent an oppurtunity to set up.
Perhaps it can do quite a some of damage if you 'predict right' however i'd rather don't something that does not have such a high risk/reward factor. Especially if some other choice banders can fullfill the same reward but with less risk involved.
I wouldn't think so. Not many people are using Swampert because he doesn't seem to have transitioned well into the new metagame. He didn't gain anything noteworthy, either.So what tier are we predicting Swampert will fall in this generation? OU again?
In Gen 4, Zapdos sometimes carried HP Grass just for Swampert. With HP Grass, Thunderbolt and Heat Wave, Zapdos got unresisted coverage in OU anyway (apart from when the Lati twins were around, but even HP Ice isn't doing squat to Latias).HP Grass? Why would it run HP Grass and not Ice?
While Swampert doesn't suck (ChestoRest Cursepert is absolutely great once you get rid of any grass types and my favourite set I ever ran), you can't say Unaware Quagsire sucks. It checks so many things, and can take hits like a monster.Honestly, I thought Swampert would suck this gen, but it doesn't. It should be a definite OU this gen, albeit a little less common. It does great against Drought teams (can take an Offensive Ninetales Energy Ball and EQ for the KO, SR's to cripple sweepers like Volcarona into KO range, and doesn't suck like Unaware Quagsire. Can even troll like hell with Protect like it did last Gen. Sure, it loses to set-uppers, but so do most tanks. It's not outclassed by other bulky waters at all because it can set up SR and has that great Earthquake STAB. It also counters the ever annoying Tyranitar (not all bulky waters do anymore because of that Sandstorm SDef boost), and I think it can take Jolly Life Orb Doryuuzu in the sand, Ice Beam laugh in Landorus's and Thundurus's face, and Swampert's Thunder Wave immune too.
Bottom line: Swampert surprisingly does not suck.
I meant as a way to answer incoming Skarm and Ferro.Which is rather obsolete now. So much many more things can Dragon Tail or if you actually wanted to stop a sweep, what are you Roaring..? Rando? Dory? Ranku? Chomp?
I don't see how this makes swampert great against sun teams when its switching into a pokemon that nearly everything in the metagame can switch into. Swampert finds himself hard pressed to take even fire attacks from sun pokemon. Against rain, the lack of water immunity you'd get if you used gastrodon hurts pretty badly.It does great against Drought teams (can take an Offensive Ninetales Energy Ball and EQ for the KO, SR's to cripple sweepers like Volcarona into KO range, and doesn't suck like Unaware Quagsire.
I still wouldn't use boiling water with it though. and even though it didn't really get anything. I think it will stick around for a while. it would be too good in the lower tiers imo.Like everything water, it gets boiling water.
But because all the other ground/waters got water absorb (or a variant), theres pretty much no reason to use swampy (who got god damn damp. and explosion sucks now). Gastrodon + grass resistance/herbivore can cover weather pretty darn well.