Syrup Bomb is a really good move with unreliable accuracy, so being able to hit things with it more reliably and potentially force a switch is very useful.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3
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Forretress is not on the same level as the rest of your hazard removal list. It's incredibly passive, weak, lacks recovery, and massive setup/Taunt bait. I wouldn't even consider Volt Switch a plus because it's super easily blocked by [insert meta-defining Ground-type here]. (Can't believe that's a category tbh.) (Mega) Scizor is effectively Forretress but way better.
Sticky Hold already accomplishes this and Recycle only works on consumable held items.
I absolutely agree with the Tera takes on the previous page. I admit I didn't want it banned at the start of the generation but that was mainly due to how we just had a gen without its main gimmick and I thought we could adapt to it in time but it's become a miserable experience recently. The breaking point for me was a few days ago where I switched in my Ogrepon-W on a half health Manaphy as it Tail Glowed only for it to Tera Grass as I clicked Horn Leech and then knock out 4 mons on my team. As the ban list gets longer I'm starting to realise that its the mechanic that's the problem. Annihilape, Regieleki, Espathra and Volcarona would all be fine if Tera was gone and Gambit/Manaphy would be a lot less frustrating to deal with.
I think that annihilape would still be broken without tera, but i do agree with the rest of the post. I even think that without adaptability chi-yu might be manageable, really forcing him to either lose speed and get revenge killed without scarf or being fast but not actually having OHKOs on resists.
That aside I am getting the same feel. I wanted to play with tera, I still think it's leaps and bounds better than dynamax, but now I feel it's really starting to take away far more than what it gives back.
I don't begrudge Game Freak for coming up with Tera. It is a fascinating mechanic and the game play ramifications are really interesting. The issue is I think the mechanic is more interesting on paper than it is in practice and between the high degree of unpredictability it adds to games, both in when they tera and what they tera into, as well as undermining a core balance point from a decade and a half of the games history it just isn't worth it.
KamenOH
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On one hand, Garchomp finally fell.
On the other, why is that pink piece of shit OU? Get it out of here, any means necessary.
I feel like Walking Wake, Manaphy, Ursaluna Bloodmoon and all these things made him a finally good pick in OU for some people
Truly the saddest day in OU history
Wait for Lanto-T, Dondozo and Toxapex UU
Imagine telling someone in Gen 5 that a version of Samurott would be in a higher tier than Garchomp. This is wild. Gen 9 is truly a creature of chaos.
Red Raven
I COULD BE BANNED!
Honestly, I'm not really too surprised at all when you consider that Garchomp was literally the 37th in last month's usage and a DLC just dropped and everyone wants to try out the new toys it brought. For Heatran, I always knew it was only a matter of time. Without its precious toxic, this mon is just utter shit. Hell, Garchomp walls the shit out of Heatran last gen if it wasn't for toxic being such a toxic presence in the metagame and I'm glad its distribution has been significantly cut
The one I'm honestly surprised that dropped is Garganacl. I'm just starting out in the tier again now that the chaos is starting to settle and well, I didn't think it would drop this fast especially when you consider how it was 24th last month. The only question in my mind now is how in the hell did Blissey manage to claw its way back up to OU again? I thought that stall is really bad this gen and Blissey lost its precious toxic as well? What the fuck is going on?
Roaring Moon going from UU to #13 in usage in OU is quite the rise. Obviously Knock Off is a big reason, but I suspect the rise of Ogerpon is big part of it.
Garg not even being OU anymore is blowing my mind, but it makes sense.
Empoleon making it to OU makes me happy. It'll probably just be for this month, but I love this mon dearly.
Gambit still being number one makes sense, but surprises me. It's harder than ever now to get a comeback sweep going with it since everyone's running encore and can revenge any sucker punch attempt with it. That said, it's still the best wincon in the tier, followed by Zam, and then Ursaluna-Bloodmoon.
Heatran falling is expected, but my hot take is that even with Oger running around, this is the best it has ever been in Gen 9 so far.
Sad that not even one of the Loyal Three was good enough for OU. Lousy Three indeed.
Garg not even being OU anymore is blowing my mind, but it makes sense.
Empoleon making it to OU makes me happy. It'll probably just be for this month, but I love this mon dearly.
Gambit still being number one makes sense, but surprises me. It's harder than ever now to get a comeback sweep going with it since everyone's running encore and can revenge any sucker punch attempt with it. That said, it's still the best wincon in the tier, followed by Zam, and then Ursaluna-Bloodmoon.
Heatran falling is expected, but my hot take is that even with Oger running around, this is the best it has ever been in Gen 9 so far.
Sad that not even one of the Loyal Three was good enough for OU. Lousy Three indeed.
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HEATRAN DROPPED TO FUCKING UU?
I am more shocked at Ribombee being OU than Chomp and Tran dropping tbh lol. I didn’t see that one coming lol.
Also happy to see Gliscor thriving and Dnite still top 15, nice!!!
Also happy to see Gliscor thriving and Dnite still top 15, nice!!!
So out of genuine curiosity as I have not read much about her. Why is Ribombee so good in this meta?
pretty much every "surprising" drop and/or tank in usage can be connected to Gliscor, Pokémon that are either outclassed by it (Lando, Meowsc, Shocks, Tusk, Ting-Lu, Garchomp, Clodsire) or seriously threatened by it (Heatran, Tusk, Clodsire, Garganacl)
Hazards are popular this generation.
Ah. So you mean to tell me that Gliscor
Even though it lost access to Roost
Is the cause of HEATRAN FALLING TO UU. Gliscor in gen 7 wasn't even all that. Now supposedly is a monster and a half
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