typically it takes a day or two but really depends how broken it ends up being
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Metagame [SPOILERS] Scarlet & Violet OU Discussion [BAN LIST POST 626]
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252 Atk Choice Band Palafin-Hero Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 164-194 (53.9 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
What. The fuck
That's not a surprise lol, there's other mons that can 2hko pex this gen
weirdly low if anything ngl
This gen yeah I agree
I'm also hyped as to a Paradox crept OU. Like Megas, but they can change types.
Ye but Flip Turn sorta balances it imo. I'm definitely gonna try and make an analysis for it
Ash gren can't hit pex hard enough unless dark pulse which is a 2hko I think
Further proving my point. 160 attack is pretty strong in OU with stuff like Melmetal and the banned Pheremosa that happened to be in OU (or was in mosa's case)
palafin when it sees a slowtwin
yall are massively overhyping this thing. i thought it was broken before but that’s because i thought it was water/fairy lol. mon is like, solidly alright. jet punch is its best characteristic, but beyond that i don’t see it being particularly overwhelming for any well-built OU team. edit: also if your band mon is running zen headbutt as coverage and not cleanly 2HKOing pex, you’ve got a problem.
yall are massively overhyping this thing. i thought it was broken before but that’s because i thought it was water/fairy lol. mon is like, solidly alright. jet punch is its best characteristic, but beyond that i don’t see it being particularly overwhelming for any well-built OU team. edit: also if your band mon is running zen headbutt as coverage and not cleanly 2HKOing pex, you’ve got a problem.
Could be OU like Ash-Greninja. Prolly gonna be UUBL in all honesty. Who knows? Maybe the paradox OU meta game will be power crept like hell. We dont know much of anything for sure, but we got some solid newcomers is what I will say
is mandibuzz S tier? but to be real do we have a good idea of how tera work sfor it to be introduced?
It's kinda overrated it's OU not UBER
I'm looking at the move sets in this new meta. Lack of knock off and defog. This meta will be insteresting
Palafin has essentially no ability, and its best attacking move (Wave Crash) has recoil. People need to stop acting like its second coming of Dracovish. It's not.
There are far better and stronger wallbreakers out there this gen. BST ain't everything folks (cries in pre-Gen 8 Kyurem-B)
There are far better and stronger wallbreakers out there this gen. BST ain't everything folks (cries in pre-Gen 8 Kyurem-B)
Exactly, everyone thinks it's so broken
Probably not too OU relevant overall, but in absence of a UU SV speculation thread, what do people think about Sharpness Gallade or Hisuian Samurott?
Gallade seems to have made out really well in the generation shift, between gaining Agility for the option of cleaning sets, Sharpness boosting a lot of his Movepool (including 2 very good STAB options now), and being one of the Pokemon allowed to retain Knock Off access by way of Ralts's egg move pool. Most of his viable movepool is now sitting at the equivalent of 100-120 BP before STAB or type effectiveness, and Sacred Sword over Close Combat very slightly improves his survivability against Priority or lower-power Utility mons looking for set up chances. Might finally be able to make UU for a Wallbreaking set maybe, while all the new-Gen Power Creep is upstairs.
Samurott meanwhile benefits mostly on his STABs with things like Razor Shell and Ceaseless Edge, the latter of which can lay Spikes while attacking, so I could see a niche as quite the offensive Spiker in NU or RU for it.
Gallade seems to have made out really well in the generation shift, between gaining Agility for the option of cleaning sets, Sharpness boosting a lot of his Movepool (including 2 very good STAB options now), and being one of the Pokemon allowed to retain Knock Off access by way of Ralts's egg move pool. Most of his viable movepool is now sitting at the equivalent of 100-120 BP before STAB or type effectiveness, and Sacred Sword over Close Combat very slightly improves his survivability against Priority or lower-power Utility mons looking for set up chances. Might finally be able to make UU for a Wallbreaking set maybe, while all the new-Gen Power Creep is upstairs.
Samurott meanwhile benefits mostly on his STABs with things like Razor Shell and Ceaseless Edge, the latter of which can lay Spikes while attacking, so I could see a niche as quite the offensive Spiker in NU or RU for it.
So... me? Listen, I just figured out competitive Pokemon exists. I'm just excited for chad dolphin
not an excuse when you’re in the meta discussion thread lol
on another note, it got buried earlier so I’ll ask again. What are y’alls thoughts on offensive Skeledirge in UU/RU? Torch Song/Shadow Ball/Earth Power is some amazing coverage, especially when you get a free +1 every time you click your Fire STAB.
Dont worry bro, i entered seriously last year and havent learned anything at all
i mean, i didnt followed the meta as hard (mainly because personal problems) but this year is gonna be better
try to make yourself a goat, like create a team that workss, or make some dumb shit and win
or even just abusing flutter mane untill gets banned, who know
at least my goal this gen will be to create a team good enough to take me to high ladder
As a Gallade enthusiast, this is amazing. No doubt Sharpness is a crazy ability in it's own right but this alone probably brings Gallade up to at least NU. It's still frail and has middling speed but it could honestly be something crazy in lower tiers. Gallade already is B rank in NU even in its emaciated state, so giving it the ability to throw around 203 BP Sacred Swords is pretty damn nuts.
Scarf would be interesting in OU but the power level's probs way to high for it. Hell even if you wanted to run Scarf on a Fighting Type, you'd wanna go for an objectively better one like Iron Valiant or hell even Urshifu. AV does work well with its high naturally high SpDef, but then again it's not that specially tanky, still has dead physical bulk without Bulk Up, and it's typing leaves it with little to no tools to work with bar a SR resistance.
So yeah, definitely gonna make some noise in lower tiers once they form, but the way things look now I can't see it being good in OU.
That's ok. I am just pointing it out for anybody who thinks the Dolphin is banworthy.
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