LilOu
PO poopyhead
Drain Punch is to hit Tyranitar I guess :O (FMiss sucks) I would rather use Substitute + Focus Punch instead of DP...
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Silly Things You've Seen On The OU Ladder!
- Thread starter MrEon
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People using Outrage/Dragon Claw as a coverage move
Outrage Arkanine
Dragon Claw Aerodactyl
and my personal favourite: OUTRAGE VENUSAUR
i mean if you go physical on your venu, use EQ to actually hit things that wall it
Outrage Arkanine
Dragon Claw Aerodactyl
and my personal favourite: OUTRAGE VENUSAUR
i mean if you go physical on your venu, use EQ to actually hit things that wall it
Outrage Gyarados because Gyarados is a Dragon :]
Clearly Latias, Dragonite, Kyurem ( to some extent ), etc. aren't venusaur checks and don't get hit hard by outrage
+2 0 Atk Life Orb Venusaur Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 354-419 (97.25 - 115.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Venusaur Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 265-312 (72.8 - 85.71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 0 Atk Life Orb Venusaur Outrage vs. 56 HP / 0- Def Kyurem-B: 361-426 (89.13 - 105.18%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO
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Yea, i guess you hit dragons with outrage. But why venusaur?
On another note, as silly as it is, i love acupressure. And I love when acupressure sets work out (for me). I'll just leave this replay here (not a serious team, btw)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-39724024
On another note, as silly as it is, i love acupressure. And I love when acupressure sets work out (for me). I'll just leave this replay here (not a serious team, btw)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-39724024
Sludge bomb?
Outrage Venusaur seems half decent, I always send in Latias. It could be used over Earthquake if dragons are particularly threatening/the team has an answer to heatran and if Venusaur really wants HP Fire
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 253-300 (69.5 - 82.41%) -- guaranteed 2HK
Edit: If something else is running HP ground, or maybe it's a Sun Team running Terrakion, Latias suddenly becomes much more threatening with STAB Psyshock.
+2 0 Atk Life Orb Venusaur Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 354-419 (97.25 - 115.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 253-300 (69.5 - 82.41%) -- guaranteed 2HK
Edit: If something else is running HP ground, or maybe it's a Sun Team running Terrakion, Latias suddenly becomes much more threatening with STAB Psyshock.
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And yet outrage venusaur is a free switch into the one thing sun teams fear most: Heatran. In some situations Outrage might even be the better move on Venusaur. It's like saying Fissure is a good move, because sometimes you kill something, but usually you don't.
4 SpA Latias Dragon Pulse vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Venusaur: 106-126 (33.22 - 39.49%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
Your point?
Your point?
OHKO moves are actually good moves, and the only reason they're not being used is OHKO clause, when PO accidentally didn't enforce it, a lot of teams featuring threats like Sheer Cold Suicune, Guillotine Gliscor and Horn Drill Excadrill started peaking the ladder.
You have the same chance to OHKO something with fissure as you do to burn something with scald, so I don't know how you're gonna say fissure isn't actually a good move.
Nevertheless, I never said Outrage Venusaur is the best option, but it does have a niche, albeit small, in the current metagame.
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LilOu
PO poopyhead
252 +2 SpAtk Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs 112 HP/0 SpDef Latias: 76.9% - 91.19% -- 2 hits to KO
This is the LO Latias spread that must be used on a 1 vs 1 battle against +2 Venusaur.
I'm thinking about STAB Psyshock on the CM set, which I'm sure you know damages Venusaur heavily, but we've got too many Venusaur calcs for a "Silly things you've seen on the OU ladder" thread :P
I've seen a LO Tyranitar with Thunder, Stone Edge, Fire Blast, and a mystery move I'm told was Focus Blast. It probably handles every weather starter heavy handedly except for Hippowdon, though it could run Ice Beam or Blizzard. Game Freak gave Ttar an incredible special movepool.
edit:LO latias with some HP investment definitely handles venusaur better than SubCM with psyshock
Custap Lead Golem
Venusaur outside of the sun
Rough skin Sharpedo
Focus Sash Metagross
Bulk Up @ScraftyIsTheBest
Mimic Ninetale With @Spinda
Venusaur outside of the sun
Rough skin Sharpedo
Focus Sash Metagross
Bulk Up @ScraftyIsTheBest
Mimic Ninetale With @Spinda
Final gambit shedinja in sand with life orb.... 'nuff said
You know what, one of us should take a Frisk mon and just reveal what sort of items they could be hiding from us. :p
Edit: @Kingler12345 whoops, meant to post that in the Ubers hread, Still something to think about though.
@Shayhok Yanmega may be the most viable of the Frisk mons, but claiming it can switch in multiple times when you know, SR exists, is flat out wrong.
Edit: @Kingler12345 whoops, meant to post that in the Ubers hread, Still something to think about though.
@Shayhok Yanmega may be the most viable of the Frisk mons, but claiming it can switch in multiple times when you know, SR exists, is flat out wrong.
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Frisk in itself would be funny -_-
I recommend running Frisk Yanmega so you can switch it in plenty of times to scout all of their items.
I actually killed an Arceus with a Wigglytuff using Counter, and used some FEAR Pokemon in ubers. It was a joke though and the team was not intended to win.
I recently saw a Focus Sash Breloom with Spore, Focus Punch, and Swords Dance. I let it kill sleeping 2+ Scizor (as I had Jolly 252 speed Mamoswine waiting in the wings to force it out or kill it with Shard, and it switched out at 1 HP) as I was hoping it would wake up to use Bullet Punch since I did not want to switch in to a potential attack (I had the bulky pivot Landorus-T too). The set seems absurd since he forfeited his priority move Mach Punch or his STAB technician Bullet Seed in order to use Focus Punch, presumably on a hapless switch in or sleeping Pokemon.
It may have some merit as a tactical surprise though since it can overwhelm even a fighting resist switch in or a physical wall. It OHKOs (ha ha; Rock does some damage to break Sturdy) specially defensive Skarmory and has a 6.25% of inflicting > 100% on the physically defensive variant. Again, this tactical surprise comes at the cost of either sweeping ability (even 2+ Mach Punch would not score critical OHKOs without being boosted by Life Orb) or coverage from Bullet Seed. After one knows about Focus Punch, it seems easily to play around something that relies on negative priority move to inflict immense damage.
Regardless of its merits, it just seems Swords Dance Terrakion (with a Focus Sash) is more reliable. Just watch out for priority though.
He also had a Blissey with Thunder (on my Jirachi) and Aromatherapy on a rain team, but that Blissey had Natural Cure, not Serene Grace as I paralyzed it before and it came back without paralysis. That could be a mistake though. Natural Cure seems somewhat redundant with Aromatherapy (Blissey does not care much for burns or paralysis as she does not run physical attacks and she is slow anyway, although it is useful if it is sleeping though and she does not have to use a turn to heal herself from Toxic as she can just switch out) while spreading paralysis with a 100% accurate Thunder is more valuable to support the team and also has some surprise value as Gengar lure.
I actually think that may be a good idea, since it can punish a physical sweeper that attempts to use Blissey at set-up bait (as I did with Scizor in the rain since he lead with Politoed and I had no weather, but he switched out into Gengar, presumably expecting a Superpower).
Edit: The damage calculations show that this would not be a good idea since Thunder only does about 33-39% damage on Gengar with no Special Attack EVs on Blissey or Special Defense EVs on Gengar. This is about 83 to 100 HP for a Pokemon with a low base special defense 75 and base HP of 60 and total HP at level 100 of 262. For a Pokemon with a base 100 Special Defense and no investment, it would do between 65 to 78 HP if it was neutral to Electric attacks. It would not substitute for Seismic Toss as a means of inflicting damage (since it would involve an extra turn or more to kill something with Thunder as opposed to Seismic Toss, although one may get a free turn or two due to paralysis) or the 100% paralysis of Thunder Wave, as the paralysis interferes with the Toxic Stalling tactics of Blissey/Chansey. There are more reliably ways of spreading paralysis for a team or inflicting damage with Blissey.
Here's the Replay... http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-50290077
Also, the using the damage calculator, the Blissey seems to have no physical defense Evs since it took about 40% from Jirachi's Body Slam (the damage calculator says it should do about 20% with max physical defense investment) while his Thunder did 22% to Jirachi (252HP/168SpeDef Jirachi) suggesting it has max Special investment.
I recently saw a Focus Sash Breloom with Spore, Focus Punch, and Swords Dance. I let it kill sleeping 2+ Scizor (as I had Jolly 252 speed Mamoswine waiting in the wings to force it out or kill it with Shard, and it switched out at 1 HP) as I was hoping it would wake up to use Bullet Punch since I did not want to switch in to a potential attack (I had the bulky pivot Landorus-T too). The set seems absurd since he forfeited his priority move Mach Punch or his STAB technician Bullet Seed in order to use Focus Punch, presumably on a hapless switch in or sleeping Pokemon.
It may have some merit as a tactical surprise though since it can overwhelm even a fighting resist switch in or a physical wall. It OHKOs (ha ha; Rock does some damage to break Sturdy) specially defensive Skarmory and has a 6.25% of inflicting > 100% on the physically defensive variant. Again, this tactical surprise comes at the cost of either sweeping ability (even 2+ Mach Punch would not score critical OHKOs without being boosted by Life Orb) or coverage from Bullet Seed. After one knows about Focus Punch, it seems easily to play around something that relies on negative priority move to inflict immense damage.
Regardless of its merits, it just seems Swords Dance Terrakion (with a Focus Sash) is more reliable. Just watch out for priority though.
He also had a Blissey with Thunder (on my Jirachi) and Aromatherapy on a rain team, but that Blissey had Natural Cure, not Serene Grace as I paralyzed it before and it came back without paralysis. That could be a mistake though. Natural Cure seems somewhat redundant with Aromatherapy (Blissey does not care much for burns or paralysis as she does not run physical attacks and she is slow anyway, although it is useful if it is sleeping though and she does not have to use a turn to heal herself from Toxic as she can just switch out) while spreading paralysis with a 100% accurate Thunder is more valuable to support the team and also has some surprise value as Gengar lure.
I actually think that may be a good idea, since it can punish a physical sweeper that attempts to use Blissey at set-up bait (as I did with Scizor in the rain since he lead with Politoed and I had no weather, but he switched out into Gengar, presumably expecting a Superpower).
Edit: The damage calculations show that this would not be a good idea since Thunder only does about 33-39% damage on Gengar with no Special Attack EVs on Blissey or Special Defense EVs on Gengar. This is about 83 to 100 HP for a Pokemon with a low base special defense 75 and base HP of 60 and total HP at level 100 of 262. For a Pokemon with a base 100 Special Defense and no investment, it would do between 65 to 78 HP if it was neutral to Electric attacks. It would not substitute for Seismic Toss as a means of inflicting damage (since it would involve an extra turn or more to kill something with Thunder as opposed to Seismic Toss, although one may get a free turn or two due to paralysis) or the 100% paralysis of Thunder Wave, as the paralysis interferes with the Toxic Stalling tactics of Blissey/Chansey. There are more reliably ways of spreading paralysis for a team or inflicting damage with Blissey.
Here's the Replay... http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-50290077
Also, the using the damage calculator, the Blissey seems to have no physical defense Evs since it took about 40% from Jirachi's Body Slam (the damage calculator says it should do about 20% with max physical defense investment) while his Thunder did 22% to Jirachi (252HP/168SpeDef Jirachi) suggesting it has max Special investment.
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A u-turn scizor switching to dugtrio on my Dragonite? It's not like I'm affected by arena trap anyway.