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SPOILERS! Pokemon Sun and Moon Full Game Datamine General Discussion Thread
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Regular Dugtrio attack raise to 100 might actually be decent.
Gear up.
it raises attack and special attack of plus/minus allies, so it's worthless.
Kommo-o with Z-belly drum and automomize going to reck shop if you dont watch out!
Pheramossa will be quickbanned to ubers, guaranteed, the only check it has is Talonflame and with Tapu Lele support that is no longer a reliable check. Xurkitree and the Grass/Steel Katana one will also probably be banned in short order since both will be ridiculous as scarfers.
I personally find Toxapex interesting. Exceptionally slow, but Merciless looks like a nice ability. (Although with a physical attack score of 63, it's going to need it.) Baneful Bunker, Liquidation, Poison Jab, Recover?
Magnetic Flux is from last gen, the new move it gets now is Gear Up, which is similar except Gear Up raises the attack stats rather than the defense ones.
Baneful Bunker/Toxic Spikes/Scald/Recover, or take out Baneful Bunker and put in Venoshock/Haze. IMO of course. If you're running Venoshock, Merciless might be better.
Sheesh. Why does game freak insist on giving Klinklang so many signature moves?
I think Kommo-O will be a star to come out of this gen. It looks really strong, access to good boosting moves (DD, SD, BD), poison jab, can go mixed if it wants, and pretty good bulk as well as a decent speed tier for a dancer.
No close combat is a real bugger tho.
Am I missing something about the video vs the file?
Vulpix has freeze-dry in the video
The file we have though says no freeze-dry and we have heat wave even though heat wave wasn't in the video?
https://paste.ee/r/zYMUr
Vulpix has freeze-dry in the video
The file we have though says no freeze-dry and we have heat wave even though heat wave wasn't in the video?
https://paste.ee/r/zYMUr
This might be another case of Gamefreak showing combinations that don't exist, like Disarming Voice on Ralts (might be wrong about this) or one of the elemental punches on Blaziken which Gamefreak later stated was an error.
Zygarde 10%: 54/100/71/61/85/115
100% form: 216/100/121/91/95/85
Ice Punch Blaziken all over again?
I'm hearing that gale wings might've been nerfed to only work at full hp. Not sure if true or not though
Edit: Confirmed https://twitter.com/pokemon_PhD/status/796075822910177280
rip talonflame
Edit: Confirmed https://twitter.com/pokemon_PhD/status/796075822910177280
rip talonflame
I've seen some confusion regarding changes to some moves (specifically knock off, which does not seem to be nerfed), so I am compiling all of the move changes here that are found from this pasteee that I found on KazoWAR's twitter: https://paste.ee/r/mvJ70
You can find changes by searching for "(!)" (no quotations).
Nerfs:
Sucker Punch: 70 BP (was 80)
Tackle: 40 BP (was 50) (we knew this from a preview)
Thunder Wave: 90% Accuracy (was 100%) (we knew this from the demo)
Swagger: 85% Accuracy (was 90%)
Dark Void: 50% Accuracy (was 80%) (also apparently can only be used by Darkrai!)
Buffs:
Leech Life: 80 BP (was 20 lol) (also now only has 10 base PP instead of 15, but who actually cares)
Ally Switch: +2 Priority (was +1)
Flying Press: 100 BP (was 80)
Fell Stinger: 50 BP (was 30)
Parabolic Charge: 65 BP (was 50)
Diamond Storm: 50% chance for +2 Defense for the user (was +1 Defense)
Mystical Fire: 75 BP (was 65)
Also, something we've known from the demo, and is both a change and a slight form-dependent buff
Water Shuriken: Now boosted by Battle Bond (50-100%?), Special (was Physical)
Also, one other random stat buff that I found that was not already identified by Kaphotics:
Mega Alakazam: Special Defense 105 (was 95)
So barring any errors or omissions, that's it for move changes. That means that Knock Off is still 65 BP, and probably gives the 50% damage boost against Pokemon holding an item. If I find out otherwise, I'll be sure to mention it.
You can find changes by searching for "(!)" (no quotations).
Nerfs:
Sucker Punch: 70 BP (was 80)
Tackle: 40 BP (was 50) (we knew this from a preview)
Thunder Wave: 90% Accuracy (was 100%) (we knew this from the demo)
Swagger: 85% Accuracy (was 90%)
Dark Void: 50% Accuracy (was 80%) (also apparently can only be used by Darkrai!)
Buffs:
Leech Life: 80 BP (was 20 lol) (also now only has 10 base PP instead of 15, but who actually cares)
Ally Switch: +2 Priority (was +1)
Flying Press: 100 BP (was 80)
Fell Stinger: 50 BP (was 30)
Parabolic Charge: 65 BP (was 50)
Diamond Storm: 50% chance for +2 Defense for the user (was +1 Defense)
Mystical Fire: 75 BP (was 65)
Also, something we've known from the demo, and is both a change and a slight form-dependent buff
Water Shuriken: Now boosted by Battle Bond (50-100%?), Special (was Physical)
Also, one other random stat buff that I found that was not already identified by Kaphotics:
Mega Alakazam: Special Defense 105 (was 95)
So barring any errors or omissions, that's it for move changes. That means that Knock Off is still 65 BP, and probably gives the 50% damage boost against Pokemon holding an item. If I find out otherwise, I'll be sure to mention it.
Agreed on that one.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet. I can see IGN rating SM 7.8/10 too many slow 'mons.
Gen 7 had a lot of 'mons with good designs, Abilities, moves and types and GF wasted all that by giving most of the 'mons shitty Base speeds. I'm honestly disappointed in most of the new 'mons from a competitive view point.
Gen 7 had a lot of 'mons with good designs, Abilities, moves and types and GF wasted all that by giving most of the 'mons shitty Base speeds. I'm honestly disappointed in most of the new 'mons from a competitive view point.
Oh gotcha. Neveeeer even heard of it for obvious reasons now that I read it
Don't even bring up that 7.8 joke. It just made everyone look ignorant to how video game ratings work (a 7 = good, not a C like school grades) and ignorant to what the review actually said. (The reviewer thought Sapphire had too many water enemies resulting in certain types like fire/ground being difficult to level and made it too easy to overlevel electric/grass types) Which is competely understandable.
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With the buff Fell Stinger Mega Beedrill could be nasty.
Think it will huh? Think offical pokemon will allow it right away? I am tempted to put it in my Moon team, even if I have 5 special attackers(if I go for the Quiver dance set, which I might if I pair her with Tapu Lele and Oricorio Senzu.) Can you get away with a mostly 1 favorited attacking team? Normally I try to spred a bit but I am liking this Ladies only Moon team with Primarina, Oricorio Senzu, Peramossa, Tapu Lele, Tsareena, and Salazzle.
I knew I was going to enjoy using it on my sun team just going by the design, but those stats and ability make it much more interesting. I'm thinling that Baneful Bunker, Venoshock, Recover, and surf. With Baneful Bunker you should get pretty reliable Poisons out on most of the team. Can maybe have someone else on my team with toxic too just in case. (Sun team is that, Alolan Ninetails even if I need to trade for her, Inceniroar, The ghost sandcastle(With surf from this guy doing such little damage thats a free high defense boost for it), Kommo-o, and Oricorio Pom Pom)
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
this also kinda ruins SpDef Talonflame that runs almost no speed?
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