Vaporeon is really strong. Not sure why people keep putting them in such low tiers.
Eh, easy to underestimate mons a lot of the time, although I feel like Vaporeon is pretty consistently highly rated. Maybe in games where the only water stones are super late it would be lower but that's about it.Vaporeon is really strong. Not sure why people keep putting them in such low tiers.
Yo, welcome to smogon! Yeah that's a fine lineup to test since I don't see any other tests for then in this thread. 4 or 5 pokemon is fine, no big advantage to using a 4 mon team over a 5 mon team other than 4 mons being a little faster. Good luck on the run!Hey guys, I'm new here and want to help. After reading through the last page I'm thinking of testing Bellsprout, Drowzee, Voltorb, Vulpix and Staryu. Does that sound good, or should I maybe remove one of these? Since I never did this I'm not sure if it would be best to go with 4 or 5 Pokémon.
Yeah, go for it! Colteor basically said everything I wouldHey guys, I'm new here and want to help. After reading through the last page I'm thinking of testing Bellsprout, Drowzee, Voltorb, Vulpix and Staryu. Does that sound good, or should I maybe remove one of these? Since I never did this I'm not sure if it would be best to go with 4 or 5 Pokémon.
Definitely agree. I've used Mankey in several LeafGreen playthroughs and it's flat out one of the better Pokémon to use for an in game run. Early availability and pretty great stats for a basic stage. Reasonable evolution level of 28. Its coveted TMs/tutors are also very optimally distributed in Kanto. Getting Brick Break before the third Gym (sometimes second if you skip Misty) is huge. It's a pretty good candidate for the Mega Kick and Rock Slide tutors. Cross Chop at level 35 is great; Primeape's Cross Chop actually hits harder than Hitmonlee's Hi Jump Kick.Mankey for A-rank :
Mankey is the best fighting type. It's great vs Brock, decent vs Misty, good vs Erika with Aerial Ace, alright vs Giovanni.the elite 4 is quite good, except for Slowbro it does well against Lorelei, you can set up and win against Bruno if Onix doesn't use Rock Tomb. You can win against Agatha by setting up Bulk Up and using Aerial Ace. I feel it's A-tier because it's a bit better than other fighting-types with a good Agatha matchup and being available for Brock.
Hate to say it, but I don't have FR/LG on me right now lol. I don't think those can be played on a 3DS... :(Why don't we adapt the OP list into a running one within the thread here and aim to wrap everything up by page 10? I think between me, Zebes (love all your stuff so far man well done), aegon, and others we have enough manpower and ability to reach quick consensus that we could get the list into a sufficiently completed state to proceed to writeups, if the other names I've mentioned were willing to commit to the effort.
I understand Kurona hasn't been on for some weeks, but come on dude, let's do this the right way rather than trying a coup on getting the thread done.Why don't we adapt the OP list into a running one within the thread here and aim to wrap everything up by page 10? I think between me, Zebes (love all your stuff so far man well done), aegon, and others we have enough manpower and ability to reach quick consensus that we could get the list into a sufficiently completed state to proceed to writeups, if the other names I've mentioned were willing to commit to the effort.
I can dig up some logs I have done in the past for Kang and Sandshrew I did a run with them last year. I likely can replay LG and do Staryu, Charizard, Magneton, Hitmonlee, and Aero I guess.Great idea Texas, I'll try to put a list. Aegon you can still play them on simulator. In some cases, I'll provide logs.
Alakazam is a solid S-tier, it's so obvious that it won't require any testing
Colteor doubted about Jynx being in S-tier but it's aburdly great and is probably the best mon in game
Mr. Mime is well-settled in S and was tested by both Texas and Kurona
Kadabra is except for Lance, champion and somewhat Sabrina,the same as Alakazam, it just sweeps everything.
Bulbasaur was tested by Texas and it's clearly A-tier and the best starter. S-tier overates it though because it has to rely on unaccurate moves with SleepSeed but it's still really consistent.
Testing Hitmonlee again would help because it felt closer to B-tier than A-tier to me being found late and having its struggle against some gym leaders (Koga, Agatha and Lance most notably) and Primeape was better imo and is currently in B-tier. Colteor seemed a bit unsure about A-tier so another test might help.
Nidoking was tested by Texas who felt it was a competent A-tier
Having more inputs about Snorlax would help but its ability to outstall everything is impressive and except for Bruno and sometimes Giovanni, which shouldn't be a problem anyway you just win all the time.
Squirtle was tested by Texas and is really consistent so A-tier is good
Staryu could see more testings but the fact it just walks over the game after you find it could make it Atier in spite of being found late and being TM hungry
Vaporeon was tested by Colteor and might require more tests but it's a better Blastoise available later with a nice leveling-up movepool
Articuno could see more testing but with great matchup against Sabrina, Giovanni, Agatha and Lance B-tier is good while it can't be A because you only get it in late game and Blaine, Lorelei and even Bruno due to Rock Tomb
Charmander needs more input because it's really borderline A-tier
Clefable was used by Texas and B-tier is fine for it
Doduo could see more testing but I don't see it moving tbh
Electabuzz shouldn't be B-tier. It's only available in late game and even then it hardly loses to Giovanni and isn't even that consistent i good matchup like Lorelei
Exeggcute is fine in B-tier and Texas tested it.
Gengar could see more input but I don't see it moving because it's really good in spite of requiring several tms.
Golem was quite frankly not good but some testing would help.
Arcanine needs more testing
Raichu needs more testing but feels more C-tier
Golduck could see more testing
Lapras needs more testing but honestly B-tier is fine for it
Machamp was recently tested by Korona so it should be fine
Likewise, Gyarados was also tested by Korona and is well-settled in B. Btw Bruno is a free matchup because you can setup Dragon Dance on Rock Tomb from Onix and still outspeed everything.
Magneton could see more testing because I see it in C-tier and Colteor in B-tier. I find quite hard to get Leftovers but with them it would be B-tier without a doubt.
Primeape could see more testing because Texas wasn't sure about A-tier
Nidoqueen was tested by Colteor
Slowbro needs more testing and could potentially be A-tier but it's found late and more input would be cool
Fearow was tested by Colteor and is a solid B-tier
Tentacruel might need more tests but to be fair it's good enough for B-tier
Zapdos could see more test and could potentially be A-tier worthy so more input about it would be nice
Bellsprout and Oddish could see more testing but honestly they are similar to Tangela which is C-rank, with a great Misty and Surge matchup.
I guess Caterpie could be tested more but it's honestly a slighty worse Venomoth found earlier with a better ability
Ground-types (Cubone, Diglett and Sandshrew) need more testing because they are nowhere near as good as other C-tier.
Graveler really has to drop to D-tier and Texas logs clearly show why
Dratini was well-detailed by Colteor and C-tier is absolutely fine
Drowzee is an important mon to test because I felt it wasn't good but more input could help ranking it properly
Flareon could see more testing but it's overall good enough for C-tier
Haunter would be really interesting to test because it's quite tricky to rank. It's far worse than Gengar but still really solid
Goldeen was tested by Texas and C-tier is good enough
Hitmonchan would be great to test
Water-types (Horsea, Krabby, Poliwag) could be tested but shouldn't move in another tier
Machoke needs more testing but will probably drop because it's just bad
Meowth requires more testing but between Pickup (sad that Persian doesn't have it), Pay Day and good speed, C-tier looks fine
Pinsir could see more testing but honestly it will probably not move
Shellder was tested by Colteor and C-tier is fine
Venonat was tested by Texas and it's among the best in C-tier
Voltorb would be nice to test, it's worse than other electric-types but between Explosion and outspeeding everything, C-tier doesn't look out of place
Aerodactyl could see more testing if people feel it's woth C-tier
Ekans was tested and deemed D-tier
Farfetch'd could see more testing because TROP, Trudterra, Rota Mitarai and I felt it could be C-tier whereas Texas found it better ranked in D
Poison-types (Grimer and Koffing) could see more testing but they are most likely staying in D
It would be interesting to test Jigglypuff more because Texas felt it was more E-tier but it's way better than things currently in E (except for Kabutops).
Tauros was tested by Texas and D-tier is fine for it and Kangaskhan is pretty similar to it
Fire-types (Moltres, Magmar and Rapidash) could see more testing but they are helpful enough for D-rank I guess
More input for Omanyte could be nice because it might be D-rank worthy
Paras could have tests but it was horrible and D-rank is fine
Pidgey was tested by Texas and D-rank is fine
Rattata could see more test but D-rank looks good
Rhyhorn wasn't good but I guess it could stay in D, more testing would be great
Scyther would be interesting to test because it's way better than expected and Swords Dance + Agility is amazing
Seel should get tested but there is no doubt it should be C-rank, it's just as good as other water-types tbh and isn't particularly hard to find
Vulpix could see more testing because I had terrible experience with it but I could be wrong
Weedle was tested by Colteor and D-rank is fine for it
Chansey could see more testing but it's probably not required because it's really bad
Ditto is the worst mon so testing it is pointless
Kabuto would be cool to test because as I said before it's potent in late game despite coming at level 5
Lickitung is a worse Wigglytuff which is already barely D-tier
Onix as shown by Colteor is just awful and E-tier is perfect for it
Porygon is incredibly annoying to get and even then despite its movepool its stats are too lackluster to help
Hence I divided in 3 categories things to test :
Important to test :
Kadabra, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Staryu, Charmander, Golem, Magneton, Cubone, Diglett, Sandshrew, Raichu, Drowzee, Machoke, Seel and Kabuto
Somewhat important to test :
Zapdos, Articuno, Haunter, Arcanine, Golduck, Lapras, Slowbro, Tentacruel, Bellsprout, Oddish, Haunter, Persian, Voltorb, Aerodactyl, Farfetch'd, Omanyte, Vulpix
Low priority :
Snorlax, Doduo, Gengar, Caterpie, Flareon, Jolteon, Pinsir, Scyther, Kangaskhan, Moltres, Magmar, Rapidash, Paras, Rattata, Rhyhorn, Chansey, Porygon, Ditto
Adding to my previous nominations, testing all these things would mean that the ranking will be ready for writeup.
As soon as you get Surf you can take a trip down to Cinnabar via Pallet without encountering any trainers (if needed), then you can pick up Rock Slide in time for Silph Co. where Aero can handle its own from roughly its later teens.For testing Aero, what would you say is the ideal time to get it?
What I did for Omastar (and I think what Texas did for Aero) was after Koga but before Silph Co or Sabrina, so as early as possible in the 'normal' route. I wouldn't skip Erika or anything since it's faster to just give Aero the Silph experience than it is to try and fight Koga underleveled.for testing Aero, what would you say is the ideal time to get it?
I did reconsider my ranking in a later post, I could see either way but I'd say A tier currently. Could probably be low priority to test.Fearow was tested by Colteor and is a solid B-tier