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Nah its underrated and I have a few teams with it. Not too bad at all since there is no physical defense Blissey equivalent.
Or you could just run superpower and a little bit of attack on the mixed set, arguably the best set, which can 2HKO blissey.Nah its underrated and I have a few teams with it. Not too bad at all since there is no physical defense Blissey equivalent.
Flygon is just heavily outclassed as a wall breaker by things like Darm and Machamp which is what your calcs seem to show it is best at. Although it does have a good speed stat, Scarf Flygon fails to net important KO's because of its poor attack stat. So basically it needs a band to output any real damage. Here's a calc to sum up what I've been saying:Alright, here's where people are going to start hating me, but I feel it's time that I actually get up and say something.
From C to B- or B.
I know that a lot of people don't like Flygon, but truth be told, it's severely underrated. Taking minimal damage from rocks, completely ignoring other hazards, Flygon poses enough threat with minimal setup due to the fact that it hits rather like a truck regardless - any time I see one I actually wish I had a Scarfrachi. Currently, I run an Adamant Flygon, and it still outspeeds almost everything sans Scarfers. And some calcs for those who think that it's a waste of time for me to say, here's some ideas.
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Aggron: 448-532 (130.2 - 154.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Jirachi: 446-528 (110.3 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Outrage vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 357-420 (55.6 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 177-208 (43.8 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
That last one is rare unto itself from what I've seen. I'd pull up more, but it's all the same - if it outspeeds and lives, it typically one / two shots everything that I can think of.
Not to mention that it can u-turn ko Celebi with minimal health loss:
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Celebi: 332-392 (82.1 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
It might need a layer of rocks up, but once this thing gets moving it really can be harder to stop.
please don't hurt me i'm new to smogon
In my opinion Flygon really deserves B- , but for a diffenent reason. It seems to be the best defoger in this tier just cause it's typing gives it SR resistance and ability gives it immunity to web and spikes. As a scarfer it also performs very well because it's able to outspeed and kill most of the scarfers like Hydreigon, Darmanitan, Mienshao (50% chance with outrage). You can just safely u- turn without the worries about webs and rocks like Darmanitan does. That typing makes it decent scarfer and defog user.Alright, here's where people are going to start hating me, but I feel it's time that I actually get up and say something.
From C to B- or B.
I know that a lot of people don't like Flygon, but truth be told, it's severely underrated. Taking minimal damage from rocks, completely ignoring other hazards, Flygon poses enough threat with minimal setup due to the fact that it hits rather like a truck regardless - any time I see one I actually wish I had a Scarfrachi. Currently, I run an Adamant Flygon, and it still outspeeds almost everything sans Scarfers. And some calcs for those who think that it's a waste of time for me to say, here's some ideas.
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Aggron: 448-532 (130.2 - 154.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Jirachi: 446-528 (110.3 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Outrage vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 357-420 (55.6 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 177-208 (43.8 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
That last one is rare unto itself from what I've seen. I'd pull up more, but it's all the same - if it outspeeds and lives, it typically one / two shots everything that I can think of.
Not to mention that it can u-turn ko Celebi with minimal health loss:
252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Celebi: 332-392 (82.1 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
It might need a layer of rocks up, but once this thing gets moving it really can be harder to stop.
please don't hurt me i'm new to smogon
ok so no. flygon is by no means the best defogger in the tier, crobat is, hands down, as bat is also immune to spikes and web, and has a better defensive typing while also functioning as the tiers preemier fighting check. not to mention scarf flygon is weak as piss, as doesnt even outspeed scarf mienshao.In my opinion Flygon really deserves B- , but for a diffenent reason. It seems to be the best defoger in this tier just cause it's typing gives it SR resistance and ability gives it immunity to web and spikes. As a scarfer it also performs very well because it's able to outspeed and kill most of the scarfers like Hydreigon, Darmanitan, Mienshao (50% chance with outrage). You can just safely u- turn without the worries about webs and rocks like Darmanitan does. That typing makes it decent scarfer and defog user.
I've meant that its typing pairs up really well with defog. Crobat is obviously a better defoger with access to a few more supportive moves like taunt and better typing, but Flygon still can fit better in teams really weak to rocks and/or electric types. 100 attack is not that bad, but still pretty lame.ok so no. flygon is by no means the best defogger in the tier, crobat is, hands down, as bat is also immune to spikes and web, and has a better defensive typing while also functioning as the tiers preemier fighting check. not to mention scarf flygon is weak as piss, as doesnt even outspeed scarf mienshao.
you say "Crobat is obviously a better defogger" where in your first post you say "It seems to be the best defoger in this tier." i honestly can't tell what you're arguingI've meant that its typing pairs up really well with defog. Crobat is obviously a better defoger with access to a few more supportive moves like taunt and better typing, but Flygon still can fit better in teams really weak to rocks and/or electric types. 100 attack is not that bad, but still pretty lame.
You know that Hydreigon has base 105 Atk, a great offensive Typing with 2 spamable moves, U-turn, immunity to spikes, access to Iron Tail and Superpower to hit the only 2 types that can take the STAB moves, immunity to spikes, a decent speed tier and beats most of the relevant walls without having to take LO Recoil and stat drops.CB Hydreigon? What?? I know I probably shouldnt say anything here, but thats possibly the worst thing you could do to a hydreigon.
The Dragon type hinders Hydregion more than helps it, at least with a Choice Band. With no other option for Dragon STAB, banded Hydregion has to use Outrage, which can severely backfire, as Hydregion can be revenge killed as it is locked into Outrage, or have a Fairy or a resist set up on you. Hydregion also doesn't have Knock Off, which also hinders it. Really, I would rather use Krookodile, as it has a better psychical moveset outside of U-Turn, has STAB EQ, Pursuit, Knock Off, better ability(s) imo, better attack, and is overall better.You know that Hydreigon has base 105 Atk, a great offensive Typing with 2 spamable moves, U-turn, immunity to spikes, access to Iron Tail and Superpower to hit the only 2 types that can take the STAB moves, immunity to spikes, a decent speed tier and beats most of the relevant walls without having to take LO Recoil and stat drops.
I mean yea, CB Krook is better at spamming dark moves, but the lack of Uturn and Dragon Type makes it legitimate to use CB Hydreigon.
I think you might have misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that CB Hydra is better than LO Hydra or CB Krook.The Dragon type hinders Hydregion more than helps it, at least with a Choice Band. With no other option for Dragon STAB, banded Hydregion has to use Outrage, which can severely backfire, as Hydregion can be revenge killed as it is locked into Outrage, or have a Fairy or a resist set up on you. Hydregion also doesn't have Knock Off, which also hinders it. Really, I would rather use Krookodile, as it has a better psychical moveset outside of U-Turn, has STAB EQ, Pursuit, Knock Off, better ability(s) imo, better attack, and is overall better.
And may I ask, what does banded Hydregion hit that mixed LO doesn't?
B Rank:Just gonna ignore the stream of aids above me, thinking that Choice Band Hydreigon is actually viable. Anyhow I feel like Blissey and Chsnaught should move up.
B+ ----> A- While this thing does become set up fodder for the likes of Lucario, and is scared out by most decently powered physical attacks, a lot of people fail to realize it can switch in on almost every special attack and beat them. It also serves as an excellent cleric and has the biggest wishes in the game.
B+ ----> A- This thing in my opinion get better with the transiton from XY to ORAS. It got access to drain punch, and hence a more reliable means of recovery. It can come in on most physical attackers and procees to annoy the opposing team with leech seed and spikes. It is also one of the most reliable spikes setter in the tier. It also beats some of the biggest threats in the ties such as Crocune and Swampert.
No one's gonna argue the fact that Blissey is a fat bitch that can eat up any special hit, but the problem with Blissey is that it's way too passive to use on anything other than Full or Semi Stall, you just lose way too much momentum on Balance using this thing. You said that it's set up fodder for Lucario, but that's not all it's set up fodder for. Chandelure, SD Passing Celebi, CM Reun, Curse Lax, Toxicroak, M Absol, and many more set up with ease on Blissey and threaten to sweep. And let's not forget how good fighting types are right now with the departure of so many fairies, all of which threaten to KO Blissey.Just gonna ignore the stream of aids above me, thinking that Choice Band Hydreigon is actually viable. Anyhow I feel like Blissey and Chsnaught should move up.
B+ ----> A- While this thing does become set up fodder for the likes of Lucario, and is scared out by most decently powered physical attacks, a lot of people fail to realize it can switch in on almost every special attack and beat them. It also serves as an excellent cleric and has the biggest wishes in the game.
B+ ----> A- This thing in my opinion get better with the transiton from XY to ORAS. It got access to drain punch, and hence a more reliable means of recovery. It can come in on most physical attackers and procees to annoy the opposing team with leech seed and spikes. It is also one of the most reliable spikes setter in the tier. It also beats some of the biggest threats in the ties such as Crocune and Swampert.
You do know that chesnaught gets synthesis right?Just gonna ignore the stream of aids above me, thinking that Choice Band Hydreigon is actually viable. Anyhow I feel like Blissey and Chsnaught should move up.
B+ ----> A- While this thing does become set up fodder for the likes of Lucario, and is scared out by most decently powered physical attacks, a lot of people fail to realize it can switch in on almost every special attack and beat them. It also serves as an excellent cleric and has the biggest wishes in the game.
B+ ----> A- This thing in my opinion get better with the transiton from XY to ORAS. It got access to drain punch, and hence a more reliable means of recovery. It can come in on most physical attackers and procees to annoy the opposing team with leech seed and spikes. It is also one of the most reliable spikes setter in the tier. It also beats some of the biggest threats in the ties such as Crocune and Swampert.
Yes, but Chesnaught could never find a moveslot for Synthesis, whereas Drain Punch is very easy to find room for.You do know that chesnaught gets synthesis right?
i was just telling you because you were acting like it has no reliable recovery.Yes, but Chesnaught could never find a moveslot for Synthesis, whereas Drain Punch is very easy to find room for.