Okay, so for those who don't know I'm more of a "math behind the game" kind of guy. Recently, I've been looking at how well Pokemon can dish out/sponge hits in the metagame using a metric I call "Clicks to KO" (or CKO for short). Basically it takes the concept of the "Hits to KO", but factors in accuracy. On average, a person using Moltres will click Hurricane slightly more than 2 times for a typical 2HKO. After a bit of work, I found out that the CKO is simply the hits to KO divided by the accuracy. So in our example with a 2HKO with Hurricane, the CKO is 2/0.7=2.86. After creating a MATLAB program to run through the damage formula thousands of times, I came up with some numbers that aim to combine base attacking stats with movepool, while combining typing with bulk.
Here are the three numbers I found for each "common" Pokemon in the tier: Offensive Clicks to KO (OCKO), Defensive Clicks to KO (DCKO), and Clicks endured Before KO (CBKO).
A couple notes on my process:
Now before all of you blindly trust these numbers, I will admit to several flaws:
Each of these has their own issues with consistency that prevents me from including them this time. Although some (like set-up moves, Life Orb recoil, and Choice items) might be improved on in the near future.
tl;dr Just read the line before the bulleted list and browse through the hide tags.
PS: Sorry if the formatting sucks, my original plan yielded some sketchy results and if I'm going to make a pantsuit post in an np thread about math I want to make sure you can see the numbers.
Here are the three numbers I found for each "common" Pokemon in the tier: Offensive Clicks to KO (OCKO), Defensive Clicks to KO (DCKO), and Clicks endured Before KO (CBKO).
A couple notes on my process:
- I set 10 as the maximum so that immunities don't break the calculator by dividing by zero (and for reference, the Honkalculator displays up to a 9HKO).
- To attempt to calculate for the current trend of the metagame (read: not the PS ladder) I used the Suspect Ladder's 1850 stats while using only the first set listed in the Strategydex, and only the primary slashes for those sets (though this is more for simplicity's sake).
- The usage was cutoff at about 2.56%, a bit below the current RU cutoff. I like the number better since it is statistically unlikely that I would find anything below that usage in a random battle. I didn't go lower due to laziness mostly.
- Due to the recent Snow Warning ban, Walrein, Glaceon, and Snover have been removed from the list (like the Viability Thread).
- Eruption's Base Power was taken to be 75, about the power it would have at 1/2 health.
- The OCKO result doesn't take Speed into account. It is purely on a Pokemon's ability to dish out damage.
- The DCKO doesn't take support options into account. It is purely on a Pokemon's ability to tank hits.
- The CBKO is an attempt to factor speed into my equations. It approximates the number of hits a Pokemon has to sponge before achieving a KO (since faster Pokemon get hit less, their scores will be lower).
- Finally, these numbers play the percentages. So changing the percentage on a damage roll will alter the score, even if both chances are unreliable.
Aggron
1.3670
Hariyama
1.5885
Escavalier
1.6402
Magmortar
1.6778
Absol
1.6851
Entei
1.6878
Rhydon
1.7099
Medicham
1.7182
Typhlosion
1.7485
Emboar
1.7492
Moltres
1.7669
Archeops
1.8094
Rotom-Frost
1.8278
Electivire
1.8514
Golurk
1.8799
Hitmonchan
1.9686
Aerodactyl
1.9745
Druddigon
1.9772
Scyther
1.9866
Rotom
2.0799
Galvantula
2.0860
Crawdaunt
2.0913
Sigilyph
2.1243
Cinccino
2.1451
Mesprit
2.1466
Accelgor
2.1612
Bouffalant
2.2376
Drapion
2.2991
Omastar
2.3012
Durant
2.3129
Gallade
2.3656
Rotom-Mow
2.3749
Hitmonlee
2.3928
Magneton
2.3955
Feraligatr
2.4303
Kabutops
2.4461
Sceptile
2.4701
Manectric
2.5252
Spiritomb
2.5897
Sandslash
2.6251
Lilligant
2.6389
Duosion
3.1679
Steelix
3.4337
Klinklang
3.5817
Clefable
3.6977
Slowking
3.7904
Lanturn
3.9398
Quagsire
3.9960
Tangrowth
4.0269
Dusknoir
4.0874
Crustle
4.0874
Cryogonal
4.2839
Poliwrath
5.0165
Amoonguss
5.0282
Uxie
5.0841
Qwilfish
5.2186
Ferroseed
5.5605
Alomomola
5.9100
Miltank
6.0264
Whimsicott
8.2276
Smeargle
10.0000
1.3670
Hariyama
1.5885
Escavalier
1.6402
Magmortar
1.6778
Absol
1.6851
Entei
1.6878
Rhydon
1.7099
Medicham
1.7182
Typhlosion
1.7485
Emboar
1.7492
Moltres
1.7669
Archeops
1.8094
Rotom-Frost
1.8278
Electivire
1.8514
Golurk
1.8799
Hitmonchan
1.9686
Aerodactyl
1.9745
Druddigon
1.9772
Scyther
1.9866
Rotom
2.0799
Galvantula
2.0860
Crawdaunt
2.0913
Sigilyph
2.1243
Cinccino
2.1451
Mesprit
2.1466
Accelgor
2.1612
Bouffalant
2.2376
Drapion
2.2991
Omastar
2.3012
Durant
2.3129
Gallade
2.3656
Rotom-Mow
2.3749
Hitmonlee
2.3928
Magneton
2.3955
Feraligatr
2.4303
Kabutops
2.4461
Sceptile
2.4701
Manectric
2.5252
Spiritomb
2.5897
Sandslash
2.6251
Lilligant
2.6389
Duosion
3.1679
Steelix
3.4337
Klinklang
3.5817
Clefable
3.6977
Slowking
3.7904
Lanturn
3.9398
Quagsire
3.9960
Tangrowth
4.0269
Dusknoir
4.0874
Crustle
4.0874
Cryogonal
4.2839
Poliwrath
5.0165
Amoonguss
5.0282
Uxie
5.0841
Qwilfish
5.2186
Ferroseed
5.5605
Alomomola
5.9100
Miltank
6.0264
Whimsicott
8.2276
Smeargle
10.0000
Ferroseed
4.7293
Uxie
4.5766
Alomomola
4.2960
Dusknoir
4.1788
Poliwrath
4.1349
Steelix
4.0921
Lanturn
4.0548
Slowking
3.9251
Miltank
3.9090
Tangrowth
3.7983
Clefable
3.7420
Amoonguss
3.6732
Quagsire
3.6505
Druddigon
3.6175
Qwilfish
3.5644
Bouffalant
3.4205
Escavalier
3.3823
Magneton
3.3403
Duosion
3.3128
Cryogonal
3.2173
Spiritomb
3.1940
Klinklang
3.1458
Crustle
3.1008
Whimsicott
3.0443
Feraligatr
2.8108
Mesprit
2.7423
Drapion
2.6665
Aggron
2.6188
Hariyama
2.5992
Rhydon
2.5984
Entei
2.5413
Golurk
2.5034
Rotom-Mow
2.4641
Durant
2.4567
Moltres
2.4412
Sandslash
2.4094
Gallade
2.3837
Emboar
2.3728
Crawdaunt
2.3391
Sceptile
2.3092
Typhlosion
2.2908
Magmortar
2.2815
Rotom
2.1610
Hitmonchan
2.1372
Sigilyph
2.1251
Lilligant
2.1189
Omastar
2.1057
Electivire
2.0803
Medicham
2.0778
Aerodactyl
1.9761
Scyther
1.9669
Kabutops
1.9525
Rotom-Frost
1.9070
Galvantula
1.8895
Hitmonlee
1.8867
Cinccino
1.8654
Manectric
1.8493
Accelgor
1.8180
Absol
1.7242
Archeops
1.6896
Smeargle
1.6009
4.7293
Uxie
4.5766
Alomomola
4.2960
Dusknoir
4.1788
Poliwrath
4.1349
Steelix
4.0921
Lanturn
4.0548
Slowking
3.9251
Miltank
3.9090
Tangrowth
3.7983
Clefable
3.7420
Amoonguss
3.6732
Quagsire
3.6505
Druddigon
3.6175
Qwilfish
3.5644
Bouffalant
3.4205
Escavalier
3.3823
Magneton
3.3403
Duosion
3.3128
Cryogonal
3.2173
Spiritomb
3.1940
Klinklang
3.1458
Crustle
3.1008
Whimsicott
3.0443
Feraligatr
2.8108
Mesprit
2.7423
Drapion
2.6665
Aggron
2.6188
Hariyama
2.5992
Rhydon
2.5984
Entei
2.5413
Golurk
2.5034
Rotom-Mow
2.4641
Durant
2.4567
Moltres
2.4412
Sandslash
2.4094
Gallade
2.3837
Emboar
2.3728
Crawdaunt
2.3391
Sceptile
2.3092
Typhlosion
2.2908
Magmortar
2.2815
Rotom
2.1610
Hitmonchan
2.1372
Sigilyph
2.1251
Lilligant
2.1189
Omastar
2.1057
Electivire
2.0803
Medicham
2.0778
Aerodactyl
1.9761
Scyther
1.9669
Kabutops
1.9525
Rotom-Frost
1.9070
Galvantula
1.8895
Hitmonlee
1.8867
Cinccino
1.8654
Manectric
1.8493
Accelgor
1.8180
Absol
1.7242
Archeops
1.6896
Smeargle
1.6009
Medicham
0.7794
Emboar
0.8239
Typhlosion
0.9230
Archeops
0.9406
Entei
1.0004
Moltres
1.0427
Rotom-Frost
1.0572
Magmortar
1.0613
Aerodactyl
1.0629
Aggron
1.0703
Electivire
1.0971
Scyther
1.1503
Absol
1.1880
Accelgor
1.2116
Galvantula
1.2391
Cinccino
1.2482
Hariyama
1.2575
Sigilyph
1.3230
Rotom
1.3353
Rotom-Mow
1.4051
Rhydon
1.4251
Durant
1.4530
Hitmonchan
1.4558
Mesprit
1.4874
Golurk
1.4950
Drapion
1.5286
Manectric
1.5326
Sceptile
1.5902
Escavalier
1.5988
Crawdaunt
1.6401
Hitmonlee
1.7517
Druddigon
1.7643
Gallade
1.7815
Omastar
1.8500
Bouffalant
1.8527
Kabutops
1.8620
Lilligant
1.9147
Feraligatr
1.9665
Magneton
1.9916
Sandslash
2.2767
Spiritomb
2.4229
Klinklang
3.0270
Duosion
3.0615
Clefable
3.3813
Steelix
3.4177
Lanturn
3.5747
Slowking
3.6840
Tangrowth
3.7572
Cryogonal
3.8052
Dusknoir
3.8385
Crustle
3.8385
Quagsire
3.9332
Uxie
4.5479
Poliwrath
4.6797
Qwilfish
4.7912
Amoonguss
4.9219
Miltank
5.4901
Ferroseed
5.5561
Alomomola
5.5616
Whimsicott
7.6024
Smeargle
9.3589
0.7794
Emboar
0.8239
Typhlosion
0.9230
Archeops
0.9406
Entei
1.0004
Moltres
1.0427
Rotom-Frost
1.0572
Magmortar
1.0613
Aerodactyl
1.0629
Aggron
1.0703
Electivire
1.0971
Scyther
1.1503
Absol
1.1880
Accelgor
1.2116
Galvantula
1.2391
Cinccino
1.2482
Hariyama
1.2575
Sigilyph
1.3230
Rotom
1.3353
Rotom-Mow
1.4051
Rhydon
1.4251
Durant
1.4530
Hitmonchan
1.4558
Mesprit
1.4874
Golurk
1.4950
Drapion
1.5286
Manectric
1.5326
Sceptile
1.5902
Escavalier
1.5988
Crawdaunt
1.6401
Hitmonlee
1.7517
Druddigon
1.7643
Gallade
1.7815
Omastar
1.8500
Bouffalant
1.8527
Kabutops
1.8620
Lilligant
1.9147
Feraligatr
1.9665
Magneton
1.9916
Sandslash
2.2767
Spiritomb
2.4229
Klinklang
3.0270
Duosion
3.0615
Clefable
3.3813
Steelix
3.4177
Lanturn
3.5747
Slowking
3.6840
Tangrowth
3.7572
Cryogonal
3.8052
Dusknoir
3.8385
Crustle
3.8385
Quagsire
3.9332
Uxie
4.5479
Poliwrath
4.6797
Qwilfish
4.7912
Amoonguss
4.9219
Miltank
5.4901
Ferroseed
5.5561
Alomomola
5.5616
Whimsicott
7.6024
Smeargle
9.3589
Now before all of you blindly trust these numbers, I will admit to several flaws:
- Choice items don't exhibit their locking capabilities.
- Life orb recoil is missing.
- Double-edge and Flare Blitz recoil is missing.
- Secondary effects (e.g. Scald burns) are missing.
- Leaf Storm and Superpower don't lower stats.
- Some popular nonstandard sets are missing (Specs Slowking, Band Druddigon).
- Set-up moves (Shift Gear, Quiver Dance, etc.) are unaccounted for.
Each of these has their own issues with consistency that prevents me from including them this time. Although some (like set-up moves, Life Orb recoil, and Choice items) might be improved on in the near future.
tl;dr Just read the line before the bulleted list and browse through the hide tags.
PS: Sorry if the formatting sucks, my original plan yielded some sketchy results and if I'm going to make a pantsuit post in an np thread about math I want to make sure you can see the numbers.