Serious Hypersexualization of children??

[SOMALIA]

I've been watching alot of videos in regards to heavily sexualized content being promoted in schools in the US, some reports even state that the content is shown to students in elementary school.

As I do not live in the USA I wanted to know from people who live there what is the situation down there?

Now, from what I have seen (big emphasis on this), when the LGBTQ community are debating parents opposed to this hypersexualization being so prominent in schools, the no.1 thing brought up is that "the rights of the LGBQT community".

I don't see how "rights" of any community goes hand in hand with polluting any person's child with porn. You can try to phrase it any other way but you have books showing graphic images (so bad to the point that they are blurred out during news segments.

What do you think can be done about this (if anything) or perhaps you think it is perfectly reasonable for children to be exposed to these type of things?

As a senior school leader, I understand and appreciate that students have to learn about different types of people but I feel like this is where the line needs to be drawn.

Hope we can have a discussion and that I don't get banned for stating some facts, even if you don't like it.

 

[gali]

Choosing to engage with this in good faith against my better judgement. This is a complicated topic and I'm only really going to scratch the surface here.

The vast majority of rhetoric around "hypersexualization of children" is part of a coordinated attempt by the far right in this country to exclude LGBTQIA+ people (including kids) from public life and force them back into the closest. This is being framed as a "Parent's rights" issue in much the same way that school segregation was during Jim Crow. The thing that is supposedly hypersexualizing children is, the vast majority of the time, the mere existence of queer people in public spaces where children might happen to be. This makes it a convenient avenue to criminalize deviance from the sexual and gender hierarchies that the theocratic ideology of the American far right views as sacred. Some examples:

Alabama makes providing gender-affirming care for trans youth a felony: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabama-senate-bans-hormone-therapy-surgery-felony-transgender-youth/

Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law bans discussion of LGBTQ issues with students, and is intentionally vaguely worded to force queer educators back into the closet: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out...ect-schools-roll-lgbtq-restrictions-rcna36143

Ohio passes bill allowing for genital inspections of female athletes if they are suspected of being trans (because nothing says protecting children like legalized molestation): https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06...-requiring-genital-inspections-school-sports/

Libs of Tik Tok, run by a Brooklyn woman, has built a media empire out of coordinating harassment campaigns against random queer people. Recently she has pivoted to attacking hospitals that provide gender-affirming care to trans youth, leading to numerous bomb threats: https://www.them.us/story/libs-of-t...tagram-explained-childrens-hospitals-grooming

In all of these, protecting children from "groomers" is the through line.

 

[SOMALIA]

Choosing to engage with this in good faith against my better judgement. This is a complicated topic and I'm only really going to scratch the surface here.

The vast majority of rhetoric around "hypersexualization of children" is part of a coordinated attempt by the far right in this country to exclude LGBTQIA+ people (including kids) from public life and force them back into the closest. This is being framed as a "Parent's rights" issue in much the same way that school segregation was during Jim Crow. The thing that is supposedly hypersexualizing children is, the vast majority of the time, the mere existence of queer people in public spaces where children might happen to be. This makes it a convenient avenue to criminalize deviance from the sexual and gender hierarchies that the theocratic ideology of the American far right views as sacred. Some examples:

Alabama makes providing gender-affirming care for trans youth a felony: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabama-senate-bans-hormone-therapy-surgery-felony-transgender-youth/

Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law bans discussion of LGBTQ issues with students, and is intentionally vaguely worded to force queer educators back into the closet: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out...ect-schools-roll-lgbtq-restrictions-rcna36143

Ohio passes bill allowing for genital inspections of female athletes if they are suspected of being trans (because nothing says protecting children like legalized molestation): https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06...-requiring-genital-inspections-school-sports/

Libs of Tik Tok, run by a Brooklyn woman, has built a media empire out of coordinating harassment campaigns against random queer people. Recently she has pivoted to attacking hospitals that provide gender-affirming care to trans youth, leading to numerous bomb threats: https://www.them.us/story/libs-of-t...tagram-explained-childrens-hospitals-grooming

In all of these, protecting children from "groomers" is the through line.

Exactly how is banning blatant PORN from school libraries going to be determintal to LGBTQ kids and "shove them back into the closet"?

 

[shnowshner]

I hear about this a lot at church and of course because you don't need to cite sources when speaking God's truth it's difficult for me to grasp what is and isn't going on.

Part of the problem for me is that I'm not in school or close to anybody in school right now so any discussion of "here's what is happening in America's schools" I sorta have to deduce myself.

Yeah this is a big topic because of course the far right is going to try and abuse their power and most moderate Christians aren't looking into issues deep enough to really contest anything. I believe gali is correct in what they are reporting because it makes me further despise the people I should be allied with.

I still have seen and heard things about sexualization in schools, though, and you probably have as well. Like the posters that promote masterbation (I think one was even with a friend) and it's like, okay??? Who are we teaching this to?

Honestly I think the root of the issue beyond this stuff is that parents, and society as a whole, are unable or afraid of understanding that children are capable of making their own choices. Like, there's all this doomsaying I hear about how this is a "radical left agenda to create gender confusion" and I have to ask myself how many kids are actively listening and not watching TikToks in class or fixating on low-quality horror game lore. For every kid that hears about this stuff and takes it to heart, you're also likely to have another kid who thinks it's dumb as hell, and another who wasn't paying attention in the first place. Maybe two. It was like that for me and my classmates in school and I wouldn't suppose it's changed in the 4 years since. Kids can "unlearn" stuff as they grow up and are influenced by others, like I see this stuff happen all the time with people being raised in religious households and turning away during teenage years. Some even had the gall to label religion as "brainwashing," as if to say they themselves were somehow exempt from its power and escaped! If you can just walk out of brainwashing than it's simply not doing that. Just because kids are receiving extensive education about a subject doesn't mean they all care.

So really this is just another case of shitty American politics and our education system being a dumpster fire run and controlled by people that don't seem to think about stuff for more than 10 seconds. When it comes to teaching young kids about sexuality and gender and whatnot there's a lot of contension about age and maturity and not wanting to closet people, I'm about as basic white male as you get and have no children so a lot of this is beyond me because I lack experience. In some ways I feel like certain schools are taking things too far if what I've heard are anything to be believed (again, no sources from the sermons!), but overall this is another far right scheme to twist and abuse Chistian ideology to garner support for their own agenda.

On that subject, I've yet to see these reports of sexually explicit content in elementary schools being posted here. I get why you might be adverse, but if this is happening I'd imagine some media outlet has talked about it. Where exactly are you getting this info?

 

[SOMALIA]

I don't see how "rights" of any community goes hand in hand with polluting any person's child with porn. You can try to phrase it any other way but you have books showing graphic images (so bad to the point that they are blurred out during news segments.

What do you think can be done about this (if anything) or perhaps you think it is perfectly reasonable for children to be exposed to these type of things?

Let's hopefully get someone genuine enough to actually attempt to answer this!

This isn't about far right or religion. The basic premise is that no school staff member has any right to showcase disgusting content to their students, especially something like porn. This might comes as news to you as you might have no idea how the real world works or how schools operate from an admin's point of view. There is zero positives from exposing kids to that. ZERO.

They then have the audacity to say people are being anti LGBTQ or trying to get them to disappear. Not everything is about them...the students at school are important and as a school staff member you are entrusted to look after them.

The books in question happen to all be LGBTQ related hence me mentioning that, I did not go out of my way to just start a smear campaign.

 

[salamiReal]

i bet someone would engage with your point (aka dogwhistle) if you actually had evidence that this is happening systemically or even at all rather than just spewing nonsense you “heard about” as though it was fact

 

[Ehmcee]

Let's hopefully get someone genuine enough to actually attempt to answer this!

This isn't about far right or religion. The basic premise is that no school staff member has any right to showcase disgusting content to their students, especially something like porn. This might comes as news to you as you might have no idea how the real world works or how schools operate from an admin's point of view. There is zero positives from exposing kids to that. ZERO.

They then have the audacity to say people are being anti LGBTQ or trying to get them to disappear. Not everything is about them...the students at school are important and as a school staff member you are entrusted to look after them.

The books in question happen to all be LGBTQ related hence me mentioning that, I did not go out of my way to just start a smear campaign.

The reason that people aren't trying to engage with you is that you aren't providing any examples of what you are claiming. I can guarantee you that the books you are possibly alluding to aren't "porn", and the closest possible thing you might find that relates to that are books about sexual health.

You are engaged in a debate with a fictional party inside your head, stop saying "they have the audacity" or "not everything is about them" and be clear about who you are talking about. You don't want any LGBTQ related content in school and are using a different separate criticism as a guise to ban perfectly acceptable books.

By all means if you find specific examples of school books being overtly explicit instead of generalizing and saying that fictional books you've heard of are peddling porn to children, we'd hear you out.