Yea ok, I exaggerated a bit, but a lot of old timers couldn't take GSC as serious when these started showing up everywhere and it pushed them to move on instead of adapting. I want to make this as short and to the point as possible so here goes - These things were initially banned for a reason, they:
Restricted an already narrow metagame.
What I mean is that letting Zapdos and raikou have access to these moves greatly diminishes the already few pokemon that can hard counter them. Rhydon and Nidoking lost their awesomeness of being great counters, Steelix declined as well in not fairing as well against the bird. Good players that like the run UU teams against standards had almost nothing in their entire tier arsenal to deal with these monsters. It's just unfair, they were already amazing pokemon and people had to make them stronger? I don't want to hear "hidden power is a move they learn and should be able to use" as an excuse because I'll just point my finger to hypnomissy.
Just to add while zapdos and raikou are used on almost every serious team without the presence of hidden power, giving them hidden power practically assures them a place on all teams. You used to be able to run teams without them and still do well, now that they've been buffed there's never a reason to exclude 1, they just cover way too much and are countered by so little. Nobody likes when top tier characters get buffed.
I believe Jorgen was arguing that snorlax should be banned, pointing to the facts that he's clearly overpowered and he himself forces a lot of teams to prepare multiple counters for his threatening moveset variations. While I couldn't agree more, and also feel he should've been banned a long time ago, the fact that he's remained and been the basis for team building in this generation, I'd feel his banning would cause too great a shift in the metagame that would serve to upset too much of the remaining generation.
This isn't the case with banning hp legends. It would only weaken two already very strong pokemon and open up more pokemon to use against them.
My final point is that nothing hard counters them anymore except for blissey, who sucks anyway. Even snorlax gets eaten away eventually
Restricted an already narrow metagame.
What I mean is that letting Zapdos and raikou have access to these moves greatly diminishes the already few pokemon that can hard counter them. Rhydon and Nidoking lost their awesomeness of being great counters, Steelix declined as well in not fairing as well against the bird. Good players that like the run UU teams against standards had almost nothing in their entire tier arsenal to deal with these monsters. It's just unfair, they were already amazing pokemon and people had to make them stronger? I don't want to hear "hidden power is a move they learn and should be able to use" as an excuse because I'll just point my finger to hypnomissy.
Just to add while zapdos and raikou are used on almost every serious team without the presence of hidden power, giving them hidden power practically assures them a place on all teams. You used to be able to run teams without them and still do well, now that they've been buffed there's never a reason to exclude 1, they just cover way too much and are countered by so little. Nobody likes when top tier characters get buffed.
I believe Jorgen was arguing that snorlax should be banned, pointing to the facts that he's clearly overpowered and he himself forces a lot of teams to prepare multiple counters for his threatening moveset variations. While I couldn't agree more, and also feel he should've been banned a long time ago, the fact that he's remained and been the basis for team building in this generation, I'd feel his banning would cause too great a shift in the metagame that would serve to upset too much of the remaining generation.
This isn't the case with banning hp legends. It would only weaken two already very strong pokemon and open up more pokemon to use against them.
My final point is that nothing hard counters them anymore except for blissey, who sucks anyway. Even snorlax gets eaten away eventually