Have you played against a Sableye that Tricks an Iron Ball. I tried swapping my Swellow into it for the WoW to proc my guts and he used that on the swap. I was like GG right there.
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Gen V Initial NU Metagame Thread
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Because 99% of teams use Stealth Rock. Spikes and Toxic Spikes are much less common. If you want a frail, fast spinner with Recover use Startup, who isn't SR weak.
With Compoundeyes isn't it like a 95% Accuracy Sleep Powder?
something like that
someone was on the ladder earlier with only a butterfree, almost swept me...
i won 3-0 when relicanth tanked a +6 psychic (i think) and finished it off with waterfall
Only in NU would that battle happen lol
CB slaking is a beast down here. it outspeeds almost every non-scarf pokemon, most pokemon can't tank a neutral CB return/frustration or a SE coverage attack, and the main reason not to use slaking in the upper tiers, setup bait, isn't much of a problem since the sweepers are much less deadly here, and if paired with a sableye, physical sweepers won't be doing anything when there burned either way
I am disappointed in NU, all I've been seeing on the ladder is random useless shit. People really need to see that NU is not where anything can work and there are plenty of really good pokemon that are actually usable. Then again, the ladder just came out recently so this makes sense.
Stuff like Slowking, Tangela, Scolipede and Miltank shouldn't be going under the radar, especially when Slowking can tank most of the tier and is almost impossible to OHKO.
Also, Slaking is great and all, but it's only really useful on more stall-ish teams since it needs to switch out a ton.
Stuff like Slowking, Tangela, Scolipede and Miltank shouldn't be going under the radar, especially when Slowking can tank most of the tier and is almost impossible to OHKO.
Also, Slaking is great and all, but it's only really useful on more stall-ish teams since it needs to switch out a ton.
I've seen good stuff. What are you seeing?
I've seen loads of Scolipedes and Militanks.
Tangela lacks offensive presense. For me, it just turns into Screen Setup Fodder, and my Altaria couldn't care less about being seeded if it gets some free DD's. It has Roost, after all.
Slowking is a special defender, and NU is primarily physical. Slowking might not get OHKO'ed by a lot [By the way, things like Pinsir, and Scolipede can probobly OHKO Slowking, as well as boosting attackers], but he's gonna be taking more than 50% from non-resisted attacks from powerhouses like Rhydon, or things like Rapidash's Megahorn/Wild Charge.
95/80 physical defenses is bulky, I'll give Slowking that, but it's still not much in the face of some of the attacking forces in NU. Slowking simply cannot tank things like Guts Swellow as well as it should. Although, to be honest, there's not a lot in NU that CAN tank things like Gust Swellow. A defensive evolite Onix was taking over 30% damage from Facade...
That said, I'm one of those players who constantly underestimates defense. I'm almost completely incapable of playing Stall myself, after all...
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Just played a Slowking. It took over 25% from Rapidash's Flare Blitz, and 60% from Rhydon's EQ.
On the other hand, Wish Shelgon is a complete peice of work.
Why would you make Slowking try to tank and tank guts swellow? O_o Nothing that doesn't resist normal/flying can tank it. Slowking does just fine tanking physical attackers, and he can tank special attacks really well, obviously. Slowking tanks a ton of the tier, but he obviously has trouble with some of the threats you mentioned. However, Slowking is switching a ton, so as long as there aren't a bunch of threats that can force it out on a team, Slowking does amazing.
Lady Salamance, I've been seeing a lot of pokemon like Zebstirka, Gigalith, Butterfree, Magcargo, Ramparados, etc. (Golem is honestly quite a bit better, ground-rock is a better dual typing and golem also has sucker punch.) The NU ladder is better then it was yesterday, though.
Lady Salamance, I've been seeing a lot of pokemon like Zebstirka, Gigalith, Butterfree, Magcargo, Ramparados, etc. (Golem is honestly quite a bit better, ground-rock is a better dual typing and golem also has sucker punch.) The NU ladder is better then it was yesterday, though.
Rapidash is good, I was using it in RU as a Sableye counter before I started using it down here. Even though it is a good counter, most its moves are recoil, and its SR weak, so with the lack of decent spinners in the tier, it does have a hard swtiching into Sableye repeatedly
That isn't the way you look at defensive suspects, defensive suspects should be suspected on how many threats they can switch in and cripple/beat. If you look at this as how you counter defensive pokemon, good luck finding many "counters" since a lot get crippled on the switch.
(Please note that in this post I am not sharing my opinion of what I think of Sableye, I am currently unsure.)
Hail teams have been a huge thorn in my side. StallRein is a beast as always, and things like Jynx and Rotom-F hit hard with Blizzard.
I played you with my hail team. That pretty much sums it up. Hail is too good in NU.
*looks at avatar* yeah, you might be a bit dilusional about your favorite mon, but slowking isnt that great unless hes tanking special hits, which his typing is lolbad for(psychic..) slowbro can actually tank guts swellow though
..Too bad Slowbro is a couple tiers above this one.
Am I the only one using choice scarf bravairy? I pair it with roselia (for spikes) Wartortle (for spinning) and Rhydon (for rocks) and after 1 layer of spike damage and Rocks, almost everything crumbles under Brave bird spam (or frustration if I cant spin).
The only problem i have had with hail thus far was one battle where I almost lost too a beartic (sub punch) thanks too repeated missing -.-, but apart from that having mons weak too SR at a time where there are precious little spinners seems odd too me.
PS Sableye < magmortar with flamethrower. its a OHKO with spikes + rocks and LO (may only need 2 of the 3), and it generally cant do anything back, it may cripple me with an iron ball but at least I can spam Bravairy now ;O
The only problem i have had with hail thus far was one battle where I almost lost too a beartic (sub punch) thanks too repeated missing -.-, but apart from that having mons weak too SR at a time where there are precious little spinners seems odd too me.
PS Sableye < magmortar with flamethrower. its a OHKO with spikes + rocks and LO (may only need 2 of the 3), and it generally cant do anything back, it may cripple me with an iron ball but at least I can spam Bravairy now ;O
Also, to all you noobs using Sawk. Get on my level and use Bulk Up Circle Throw Throh. (say that five times fast). I can safely say that it has gotten me out of a whole after being down 1-4 on more than one occasion now, including against Eo Ut Mortus (yeah, don't wanna brag, but I beat him <3)
Gurdurr is really good, especially in a metagame that's so heavily concentrated on physical attacks like this one. After a Bulk Up, Sawk's CC does about 27% on average to my build and you OHKO (or I guess drop it down due to Sturdy and KO with Mach Punch) and recover the lost health easy. Gurdurr can also function as a status sponge, eating Will-o-Wisps and T-waves like it's nothing and even getting stronger because of them. It's been a huge boon and has consistently held its weight throughout most of the matches I've played with it.
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