<DECONFIRMED> Confirmed lost moves from Sw/Sh, BD/SP, and PLA

TheDragonTexasWarrior2001

TheDragonTexasWarrior2001

UPDATE: This whole thread is useless now, as expected, as moves do not transfer from said Sw/Sh, BD/SP, nor PLA

RE-POSTED, cause i posted it in the wrong board, so here it is in where it should be

This is assuming it counts more than just level-up moves which we'll have to wait until HOME comes out to see if it is the case, hence the "Unconfirmed" in the title. Hell this whole thread could even be useless for all i know.

They're probably gonna be banned in Ranked Battles (a.k.a. VGC).

Any transfer moves from Gen 7 or older are still off the table (ex; no Scald Greninja, no Superpower Honchkrow, no Toxic nor Knock Off on most mons still, no Roost or Defog on nearly anything past Gen 4, no Event moves), one example being Hydreigon can't keep Defog but Dragonite

Here's the PokePaste for all the moves in it - https://pokepast.es/61efb08088c6199b (Now indludes pre-evos)
* = learns it via level-up in PLA
Bold = 2-stage pre-evo learns it
Italic = a middle pre-evo learns it
Bold and Italic= the whole 3-stage line learns it

Charizard - Scorching Sands, Weather Ball, Roost, Defog
Alolan Raichu - Rising Voltage, Expanding Force, Ally Switch, Speed Swap
(Alolan) Dugtrio - High Horsepower
Arcanine - Safeguard
Hisuian Arcanine - Play Rough
(Galarian) Slowbro - Scald, Expanding Force, Safeguard
Gengar - Sludge Wave, Ally Switch
Scyther - Dual Wingbeat, Roost
Tauros - Throat Chop, Iron Tail, High Horsepower, Megahorn
Gyarados - Power Whip
Vaporeon - Scald
Jolteon - Weather Ball, Rising Voltage
Flareon - Superpower (still trash tho)
Zapdos - Defog, Weather Ball
Galarian Zapdos - Blaze Kick, Throat Chop
Moltres - Defog, Scorching Sands
Dragonite - Defog, Dual Wingbeat, Superpower, Scale Shot, Safeguard, Breaking Swipe
Mewtwo - Speed Swap, Expanding Force
Mew - Safeguard, Defog, Roost, Toxic, Scald, Cosmic Power, Expanding Force, Poltergeist, Darkest Lariat, Triple Axel, Blaze Kick, High Horsepower, Power Whip, Leaf Blade, Flip Turn, Sludge Wave, Scale Shot, Icicle Spear, Scorching Sands, Meteor Beam, Terrain Pulse, Weather Ball

Quagsire - Scald, High Horsepower, Safeguard
(Galarian) Slowking - Scald, Expanding Force, Safeguard, Sludge Wave (only for G-Slowking), Ally Switch
Espeon - Expanding Force
Scizor - Dual Wingbeat, Roost
Heracross - High Horsepower
Blissey - Draining Kiss, Ally Switch, Safeguard
Tyranitar - High Horsepower, Superpower, Rock Polish, Breaking Swipe

Pelipper - Scald, Defog
Gardevoir - Expanding Force, Ice Beam, Recover*, Ally Switch, Safeguard
Salamence - Defog, Scale Shot, Breaking Swipe
Groudon - Heat Crash

Staraptor - Roost, Defog
Luxray - Superpower (again, still trash tho)
Gastrodon - Scald
Drifblim - Mystical Fire, Ally Switch
Honchkrow - Roost, Defog
Pachirisu - Crunch
Garchomp - Scale Shot, Breaking Swipe
Lucario - Mach Punch*, Blaze Kick, Coaching (specifically for Prankster Coaching Riolu)
Hippowdon - High Horsepower
Toxicroak - Earth Power*
Abomasnow - Icicle Crash*
Weavile - Throat Chop (niche Skeledirge counterplay), Triple Axel
Gallade - Triple Axel, Ally Switch, Focus Energy
Froslass - Triple Axel, Poltergeist, Ally Switch
Uxie - Recover*, Ally Switch
Mesprit - Recover*, Ally Switch
Palkia - Scald, Breaking Swipe
Giratina - Poltergeist, Breaking Swipe
Creeselia - Recover*, Ally Switch

Hisuian Samurott - Psycho Cut, Poison Jab, Iron Tail
Basculin (only red and blue stripe forms tho, so not Basculegion) - Superpower, Flip Turn
Krookodile - Darkest Lariat (also some niche Skeledirge counterplay, assuming you're Moxie), High Horserpower, Scale Shot, Iron Tail
Gothitelle - Ally Switch, Expanding Force, Safeguard
Haxorus - Scale Shot, Superpower (not that Haxorus needs it anymore since Sw/Sh)
Bisharp - Throat Chop
Braviary - Double-Edge*
Hydreigon - Superpower, Breaking Swipe
Volcarona - Safeguard
Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus - Superpower, Weather Ball

Dragalge - Sludge Wave, Scald, Flip Turn
Clawitzer - Terrain Pulse, Flip Turn
Sylveon - Mystical Fire, Safeguard
Hawlucha - Throat Chop
Carbink - Misty Explosion
Goodra - Sludge Wave, Superpower, Breaking Swipe
Hisuian Goodra - Sludge Wave
(Hisuian) Avalugg - Ice Shard, High Horsepower (the former only in PLA)
Diance - Mystical Fire, Meteor Beam, Misty Explosion

Decidueye - Poltergeist
Hisuian Decidueye - Spikes
Toxapex - Scald
Lurantis - Superpower
Tsareena - Triple Axel, Safeguard

Rillaboom - Grassy Glide (just remember it'll be 60 BP now), Superpower, High Horsepower
Inteleon - Focus Energy, Scald, Muddy Water
Drednaw - High Horsepower, Superpower, Megahorn, Throat Chop
Barraskewda - Flip Turn (it's Joever for Floatzel)
Sandaconda - High Horsepower
Hatterene - Expanding Force, Misty Explosion, Safeguard
Grimmsnarl - Darkest Lariat, Superpower, Power Whip
Indeedee - Expanding Force, Mystical Fire, Ally Switch
Falinks - Throat Chop
Stonjourner - Heat Crash
Pincurchin - Rising Voltage, Scald
Copperajah - Power Whip, Heat Crash
Dragapult - Scald, Ally Switch, Breaking Swipe
Eternatus - Sludge Wave, Meteor Beam, Mystical Fire
Zarude - Darkest Lariat, Grassy Glide
Regieleki - Rising Voltage
Glastrier - High Horsepower, Icicle Spear
Calyrex - Speed Swap
Kleavor - Psycho Cut, Roost maybe?
Wyrdeer - High Horsepower
Basculegion - Calm Mind, Psychic
Sneasler - Drain Punch

UPDATE: only Gardevoir gets Recover, not Gallade :/
 
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Magcargo

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Something worth mentioning is that Weavile also gets Loaded Dice Icicle Spear, which is somewhat more reliable than Triple Axel. A lot of other Pokemon like Glastrier and Dragonite regain Icicle Spear & Scale shot which can be more effective tools now with Loaded Dice.

Hisui-Decidueye gets Spikes from PLA which let it be both a hazard setter & remover now.

Bisharp regains Throat Chop, which is pretty nice since its a sizable upgrade from Night Slash (roughly in between a Muscle Band & Black Glasses in terms of power boost).
 
Eriorguez

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Reminder that, contrary to popular belief, the moves of stuff that cannot be transfered to SwSh HAVE NOT BEEN WHIPPED OFF, it is just display shenanigans in the Switch version of HOME, while you can see them with no issues in the mobile version. The movesets are still saved thus far.
 
TheDragonTexasWarrior2001

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everytime there's a move i forgot about, i kept on updating

I also made a DLC edition for y'all to look at: https://pokepast.es/2d97a173ac3d8ece

UPDATE: been thinking of doing a list for the unconfirmed DLC mons too, so here
Venusaur - Weather Ball
Blastoise - Scald, Muddy Water, Flip Turn
Alolan Sandslash - Triple Axel
Clefable - Ally Switch
Ninetales - Scorching Sands
Alolan Ninetales - Energy Ball
Poliwrarth - High Horsepower, Darkest Lariat, Throat Chop, Scald
Golem - Rock Polish
Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan - Throat Chop
Snorlax - Superpower, Darkest Lariat, Heat Crash

Politoed - Scald, Muddy Water
Smergale - (all new additions to learn in SV) Clangorous Soul, No Retreat, Victory Dance, Tidy Up, Fillet Away, Court Change, Revival Blessing, Jungle Healing/Lunar Blessing, Shed Tail, Decorate, Coaching, Chilly Reception............and Magic Powder
Skarmory - Roost Defog
Kingdra - Scald, Muddy Water, Flip Turn
Porygon2 - Ally Switch
Hitmontop - Triple Axel

Blaziken - Scorching Sands
Swampert - Scald, High Horsepower, Superpower, Flip Turn
Ludicolo - Scald, Muddy Water
Shiftry - Throat Chop
Flygon - Throat Chop
Milotic - Scald
Dusclops - Ally Switch
Metagross - Rock Polish (reskin Agility which it has, so you could live without it)

Torterra - Leaf Blade, Headlong Rush, Sleep Powder
Infernape - Raging Fury, Drain Punch
Empoleon - Scald, Defog, Roost, Wave Crash
Rhyperior - High Horsepower, Superpower, Heat Crash, Rock Polish
Magmortar - Scorching Sands
Yanmega - Defog, Roost
Gliscor - Defog, Roost, Rock Polish, Spikes
Mamoswine - Icicle Spear, High Horsepower, Superpower
Porygon-Z - Ally Switch
Dusknoir - Poltergeist, Ally Switch, Leech Life

Emboar - Scald
Excadrill - High Horsepower
Conkeldurr - High Horsepower
Cinccino - Triple Axel
Reuniclus - Expanding Force, Ally Switch
Golurk - Poltergeist, High Horsepower, Heat Crash

Malamar - Throat Chop
Trevenant - Poltergeist

Primarina - Scald, Flip Turn, Muddy Water
Ribombee - Speed Swap
Kommo-o - Scale Shot

Alcremie - Mystical Fire
 
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Lime

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Magcargo said:
Something worth mentioning is that Weavile also gets Loaded Dice Icicle Spear, which is somewhat more reliable than Triple Axel. A lot of other Pokemon like Glastrier and Dragonite regain Icicle Spear & Scale shot which can be more effective tools now with Loaded Dice.

Hisui-Decidueye gets Spikes from PLA which let it be both a hazard setter & remover now.

Bisharp regains Throat Chop, which is pretty nice since its a sizable upgrade from Night Slash (roughly in between a Muscle Band & Black Glasses in terms of power boost).
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wide lens triple axel is better in that case imo, 120 reliable power > a toss between 125, 100
 
Eriorguez

Eriorguez

Milotic deserves all the toys it can get, poor guy has always looked at Gyarados' movepool with envy lol.

Still, Scald getting a power drop to Scorching Sands' level at least, and a more limited distribution, with more Fire types and less Water types getting it, would IMO be a good choice. Surf shouldn't be utterly outclassed by it.

Still, the Slow twins would likely keep it anyway. Between Slowbro using it in Unite, and them being able to learn Fire Blast since 1996, it technically makes sense on them, more than in your random average fish.
 
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