ORAS OU "Cha-Cha Slide" - 1.5k RMT

Martin

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Introduction
Hi 'yall! I have had this post looming over me for a while now, and I haven't managed to come up with any good ideas as to what to do for my 1.5k. I eventually got sick of having to preserve this post, so I just decided to take Typhlito's advice and do a generic RMT. I was going to do an actually successful team that I used (a Shedinja stall team), but when looking over after writing about 3/4 of what would have been its RMT it suddenly occurred to me that it had ended up being literally identical to a team made by someone else ;;;;;. Therefore, as I wanted to include something from the new E rank, I just decided to write about a Swellow VoltTurn team that I threw together in 5-10 minutes about a month ago and got good results with (basically good enough to warrant being posted as a notable post RMT). I would post its peak ladder rating if I hadn't changed alts and forgot the name of the one I used, but I did so screw that, and I have no replays of it in action for the same reason combined with the fact that I can't be f*cked to get any now (sowwy :[). Anyway, onto the RMT!

Team Song
When I thought of Swellow, the first playstyle that crossed my mind was VoltTurn, and I have always imagined VoltTurn teams as dancing around the opponent. And what better song for dancing than DJ Casper's Cha-Cha Slide!


Teambuilding Process
I didn't really put that much into this team. Due to this, there isn't much in the way of cores besides VoltTurning cores. I may have happened to end up with some, but that is purely out of coincidence. Anyway, here was my thought process when building the team:

Swellow is the star of the show here. Basically, it is a substitute for Talonflame and Staraptor that is capable of acting as a status absorber for VoltTurn teams (and no, Talonflame's ability to absorb Will-O-Wisp courtesy of its typing does not count). Most notably, its Toxic Orb makes it the only fast, offensive (and, by extention, non-choiced) Pokémon on hyper offensive VoltTurn teams that is capable of absorbing all of Glare, Will-O-Wisp and Toxic. That is the basic role identification here.

Here, I was just adding VoltTurning partners for Swellow. These were to enable Swellow to come in on a slow/semi-slow U-Turn in order to enable the possibility of Swellow activating its Toxic Orb without taking any damage. Not too much else to say here as these are pretty standard, so I'll move on.

I chose Serperior next because I wanted a stallbreaker of some kind (cause wynaut) and (the main reason I wanted it) something that was capable of cleaning late game due to how unreliable a cleaner Swellow is hand how "un-fast" the rest of my team was. So, I thought "What is fast and can snowball in order to both stallbreak and clean?" and this is what I came up with. Anything else I could say here is not worth saying until the team analysis, so I'll just move on.

I just wanted a fourth VoltTurn 'mon and something that was fast. This is literally the main reason I decided to use ScarfRachi, and Healing Wish was nice due to how quickly this team gets worn down atm. Let's just move on because that's all I have to say about Jirachi.

Just by looking at it, I can tell that this team REALLY struggles v.s. powerful special attackers and Mega Metagross once Scizoris gone, so I need something to cover those. I like having something with Regen on VoltTurning teams, so I was left with three options: AV Tornadus-T, AV Slowbro and AV Slowking (no Alomomola or Amoonguss because this isn't stall and no Tangrowth because I didn't want another pure Grass-type). Tornadus-T is a no despite having U-Turn because it gets oblitterated by Mega Metagross (seriously Meteor Mash is a guaranteed OHKO after rocks before factoring the possible boost from said move), and Slowbro can go due to it not handling special attackers as well as Slowking and the fact that I haven't had a chance to really use Slowking much yet. It also gives me a more reliable way of dealing with Skarmory, Ferrothorn and Garchomp than if I had either Ice Punch or Fire Punch on Jirachi due to skin/barbs/helmet and a choice item. I thought that was the team, but (as you can see) there was a change still to come...

This team gets f*cked over by Skarmory and Ferrothorn. Seriously, aside from Slowking, this team does jack-shit to them if Serperior can't get onto the field before or with them, and for the latter to occur I will usually need to deal with barbs or helmet due to the huge amount of U-Turn on this team, and if I used Fire Punch on Jirachi I'd lose out on a valuable move in its moveset (namely if I used it over Ice Punch, which would open this team up to be abused by RockyChomp), and I liked HP Ice and Stealth Rock too much on Landorus to sacrifice either for Smack Down. Therefore, I scrapped the idea of even using Jirachi and just used Magneton as a fast VoltTurner and gave Serperior HP Ice Ground. And boy did it pay off! This team no longer struggles with fat steels (making me less reliant on Slowking), and it also now has a backup method of beating RockyChomp if I can't use Slowking's Ice Beam or Landorus is not on the field a reliable way of luring and KOing opposing Heatran and Bisharp due to HP Ice Ground on Serperior! This is the final version of the team.

Nicknaming Scheme
I literally nicknamed my team just now, and they are just lines from Cha-Cha Slide. Nothing fancy!
  • Swellow: Cha-Cha Real Smooth
  • Scizor: Now turn it out
  • Landorus: Criss Cross!
  • Serperior: Reverse!*
  • Magneton: Reverse*
  • Slowking: Charlie Brown
*The line appears twice in the song, and it makes sense for both Pokémon. Therefore, the dual nickname is warranted (although the punctuation needed to be different due to Showdown's stupid "no repeat nicknames on a team" limitation)

The Team

Cha-Cha Real Smooth (Swellow) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Facade
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Quick Attack

With it being the reason this team exists, Swellow is a neat 'mon. Like I said earlier in the RMT, its ability to absorb such a wide range of status is the main reason to ever use it, although its high speed compared to Staraptor and high power compared to Talonflame (seriously, Facade outdamages Reckless scarf Staraptor and is almost as powerful as band if you forgot to give Staraptor Reckless) are also draws to using it. Facade is the main STAB that it uses due to a lack of recoil etc. Brave Bird provides a secondary STAB and coverage on anything it hits super effectively, although the recoil eats into Swellow's already lacking longevity. U-turn allows it to U-turn out into something else (and is part of the reason this ended up being a VoltTurn team) and also allows it to get a hit off before it takes any poison damage in some scenarios. The last move is basically where Swellow's options are running out and it needs a filler option. I personally use Quick Attack on this team as it allows you to take out weakened Pokemon and outpace priority users like Mega Pinsir to get a hit off before it takes you out with its own Quick Attack (although you do still lose to Feint variants). It also allows you to force a speed tie with Ice Shard Weavile, which could potentially save your skin in a number of scenarios.

However, if Quick Attack isn't your cup of tea, there is one other move Swellow can use over it if you decide it should. Pursuit is the only option you should consider on this team for its ability to catch Pokémon which Swellow forces out, such as Celebi, Alakazam after its sash is broken and non-Choice Scarf Gengar, as they switch out of you - allowing you aleviate how threatening they are late-game. While Protect sounds nice as an option to scout and ensure Toxic Orb activates, I wouldn't recommend its use in OU due to the fact that the slow VoltTurns do the former for you already, and the ability to scout is downplayed by how much utility is lost, your high speed and the free poison damage on Swellow - making any scenario where you would use Protect result in it being outclassed by Quick Attack or Pursuit.

The EVs are very standard, just maximising your power and speed (ensuring you can tie with Weavile) while minimising SR and poison damage with an odd HP number.


Now turn it out (Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Defog

This is just here to provide a slow U-Turn in order to a: allow me to regain lost momentum, and b: net Swellow a free Toxic Orb activation. I chose the bulky Defog set in order to maximise my ability to take on stuff like Mega Metagross (HP Fire variants of M-Meta aren't worth mentioning here because they SUCK) and non-HP Fire Mega Gardevoir while also providing the hazard removal that VoltTurn teams love so much. Not much else to say here, as it is pretty boring tbh.


Criss cross! (Landorus-T) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe 248 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpA / 8 SpD
Naive Relaxed
Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def
- Stealth Rock
- U-Turn
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power

This was originally offensive, but after FalseHopes' suggestion, I have changed it to a defensive set with Rocky Helmet. Landorus-T is there to lay Stealth Rock, take on physical attackers and utilise a slow U-turn. HP Ice is used for its ability to lure out Chomper, Gliscor and opposing Lando-T, although the drawback is that it needs to be used with Relaxed if it wants to break through SpD Gliscor and Chomper switch-ins and it leaves me with an imperfect IV in my attack and defense stats. The IVs give me Hidden Power Ice with as few dropped IVs as possible. The EV spread guarantees the 2HKO v.s. the standard TankChomp spread after Stealth Rock, and Rocky Helmet allows me to punish physical attackers and somewhat alleviate the issues surrounding Bisharp a little (as this team gets shredded by it otherwise). An alternate option over HP Ice is to run Knock Off with no reduced IVs in order to remove Rocky Helmets from stuff like Skarmory and Chomp.


Reverse! (Serperior) @ Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 29 HP / 0 Atk / 30 Def 30 SpA / 30 SpD
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power
- Glare

Serperior is there as my reliable cleaner and semi-stallbreaker. I chose Glare over Taunt as I never really end up using Taunt on this team and Glare allows Serperior to retain momentum v.s. its switch-ins due to having HP Ice Ground over HP Fire, meaning it can't deal with Steel-type switch-ins anymore. While its main purpose is handling RockyChomp Heatran and Bisharp, a big perk of having HP Ice Ground over HP Fire is that it allows me to outpace opposing Serperior as opposed to simply tying with them due to that pesky imperfect IV not being present. There is not much else to say as the set is completely standard outside the Hidden Power type, so I'll just say that the IVs give it HP Ice Ground while minimising Life Orb recoil and the damage taken from Foul Play and confusion.


Reverse (Magneton) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power
- Flash Cannon

I needed a backup answer to Ferrothorn and Skarmory, and a magnet fits the bill nicely due to the fact that this is a VoltTurn team. Magneton was used over Magnezone as I needed my steel trapper to be as fast as possible to fill the void left by replacing Scarfrachi, and it does its job well. The moveset is literally the most standard thing you could ever invent with anything, and a timid nature with maximum investment allows me to tie with timid Starmie after factoring in the 30 speed IV for Hidden Power. The IVs give me HP Fire while minimising my attack stat for Foul Play and confusion damage.


Charlie Brown (Slowking) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Future Sight
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam

Slowking is SOOO useful its insane. It acts as my reliable answer to special attackers (completely walling Zard-Y in every way possible, for example) and as a backup answer to Mega Metagross and Mega Gardevoir if I lose Scizor or Gardevoir carrys HP Fire ('cause HP Fire Gardevoir is dope and HP Fire Metagross SUCKS). Fire Blast and Ice Beam give me a second way of handling chomper and THE_IRON_...KENYAN? the iron bird and thorn, and Future Sight lets me shit on more offensively oriented teams. Nothing spectacular here either tbh. The IVs minimise Foul Play and confusion damage, the EVs are dead simple yada yada yada. I'm bored, so I'll move on.


Importable
Cha Cha Real Smooth (Swellow) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Facade
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Quick Attack

Now turn it out (Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Defog

Criss cross (Landorus-Therian) @ Earth Plate
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Hidden Power

Reverse! (Serperior) @ Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 29 HP / 0 SpA / 30 SpD
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power
- Glare

Reverse (Magneton) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power
- Flash Cannon

Charlie Brown (Slowking) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Future Sight
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam

Threatlist
It has been a while since I've used this team properly, so I'll just go off of some of the very basics that the team struggles with:
  • TankChomp - This is kinda self explanitory considering that Garchomp is the biggest threat to VoltTurn and why the meta has shifted more towards balance and away from the birdspam- and VoltTurn-infested metagame of XY. Why do you think I prepared for him so insanely?
  • Rocky Helmet/Iron Barbs - all VoltTurn teams struggle with these. They seriously f*ck with the team by giving them big recoil just for using U-Turn. This is why Skarm and Ferro worried me when teambuilding XD
  • Steel-types - OK. I know I've got Magneton and Slowking, but they are still troublesome because they resist U-turn and flat out wall Swellow etc. They are problematic.
  • Landorus-T: Intimidate weakens half my team, and an immunity to Volt Switch allows Shed Shell variants of what Magneton aims to trap turn Magneton into setup fodder for Sub, SD or RP.
  • Bisharp: Bisharp kinda steamrolls this team. Not much else to say here, as it is self evident.
  • Mega Lopunny: *sigh* The problem with forgoing Talonflame is that it means the team gets shredded by Ice Punch variants of Mega Lopunny. This is because it outpaces the entire team and is capable of taking a chunk out of the entirity of the team with its various attacks.
I'm too lazy to list more, so I'll just move on.

Possible Variations

The first possible variation is to use offensive Smack Down Landorus-T+Healing Wish Scarfrachi>HP Ice Lando-T+Magneton. This trades a reliable way of dealing with the Steel-type walls (notably Ferrothorn) for increased longevity with Healing Wish. In this case, Landorus should be adamant in order to ensure that it can KO Skarmory with the combination of Smack Down and Earthquake ('cause its not even guaranteed with rocks if you run jolly). Here are the sets you should use:
Cha Cha Real Smooth (Swellow) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Facade
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Quick Attack

Now turn it out (Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Defog

Criss cross (Landorus-Therian) @ Earth Plate
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Smack Down

Reverse! (Serperior) @ Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 29 HP / 0 SpA / 30 SpD
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power
- Glare

One hop this time (Jirachi) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Iron Head
- Ice Punch
- Healing Wish

Charlie Brown (Slowking) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Future Sight
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam


The other possible variation is to use Specs Keldeo+Mixed Wall Hippowdon>Landorus-T+Slowking. This takes a more offensive approach and lets the team better handle Bisharp at the cost of the ability to reliably take on Grass Knot M-Metagross and special attackers. Hippowdon also lets the team better handle Zard-X and Manectric/Raikou in addition to being a secondary Bisharp check. Not much else to say here, so here is the variation:
Cha Cha Real Smooth (Swellow) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Facade
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Quick Attack

Now turn it out (Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Defog

Charlie Brown (Hippowdon) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 176 HP / 232 Def / 100 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Fang

Reverse! (Serperior) @ Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 29 HP / 0 SpA / 30 SpD
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power
- Glare

Reverse (Magneton) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power
- Flash Cannon

Let's go to work! (Keldeo) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Scald

Conclusion
So this was the team! I hope you liked my 1.5k RMT, and if you happen to try out the team and get any replays, feel free to post them in the thread and I'll put them in the OP and credit you :) Anyway, a notable postcount post isn't complete without shoutouts, so here we go!



Shoutouts
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Hello, gamer boy ! Nice team you have there. I'm really loving the use of Swellow over the standard Talonflame!


I feel as if you should run Quick Attack over Pursuit on Swellow. The priority is great for netting easy KOs. Pursuit only lets you trap Kazam, and the Lati twins for the most part.

252 Atk Guts Swellow Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 309-364 (103.3 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO -- Outspeed and OHKO (Pursuit on the switch doesn't even OHKO surprisingly.) And if a threat is brought in, U Turn for a safe switch.


I would say Hidden Power [Ice] for this. Being able to hit opposing Lando-T's / TankChomps is good.

Not very much to say about the team, as it is very well thought out and executed. Nice team, and good luck!
 

Martin

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Hello, gamer boy ! Nice team you have there. I'm really loving the use of Swellow over the standard Talonflame!


I feel as if you should run Quick Attack over Pursuit on Swellow. The priority is great for netting easy KOs. Pursuit only lets you trap Kazam, and the Lati twins for the most part.

252 Atk Guts Swellow Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 309-364 (103.3 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO -- Outspeed and OHKO (Pursuit on the switch doesn't even OHKO surprisingly.) And if a threat is brought in, U Turn for a safe switch.


I would say Hidden Power [Ice] for this. Being able to hit opposing Lando-T's / TankChomps is good.

Not very much to say about the team, as it is very well thought out and executed. Nice team, and good luck!
The slashes were primarily to list alternative options more than anything :) I probably will just set it to HP Ice due to this team not really caring that much about lefites and eviolite. Eh. I'll just change it to that variant, as any extra 'mon to take out Chomper is nice XD.

As for Quick Attack, I was just listing alternative options that could be used over it. I 100% agree with you about Quick Attack generally being better than Pursuit. I just listed it as it is a viable other option if they start to piss you off, but, the more I think about it, the less useful it seems on this team, and I am debating whether it is even worth a slash. I will remove it :)

Thanks for the rate!
 
I have a few suggestions for you!

Reverse (Jirachi) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-Turn
- Zen Headbutt
- Fire Punch
- Iron Head / Ice Punch

  • I suggest you revert back to Rachi. Not only does it handle Lopunny it handles Steel Types while also dealing with TankChomp and LandoT if you choose that route.
But RH+RS is real right? With Rachi having Ice Punch I suggest Knock Off > Hidden Power on Lando. You remote Helmets while also having Dark Coverage added to the team.

Have fun!
Even with fire punch he's still weak to skarm because fire punch doesn't 2hko and rocky helm ferro wears it down quickly, if scizor is removed he is especially weak to weavile so try suggest something else because mag is a v good glue mob to this team.
 

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Yo, gamer boy! Your team looks terribly weak to Bisharp man, while testing the team out literally the only way i could deal with it was glaring and hoping it didn't swords dance. I suggest testing out Choice Specs Keldeo > Slowking as it can get way more momentum for your team with its great speed and helps your huge dark weakness. Here's the set:
Keldeo-Resolute @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Scald


Also, HP Ice was really, really useless on Serperior. You'll most likely use Dragon Pulse versus most Mons anyway, but HP Ground helps your team a lot. Baiting in Heatran can help out Swellow and Mega Scizor have an easier time versus a lot of teams.

Serperior @ Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Glare


GL with the team breh
 

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Yo, gamer boy! Your team looks terribly weak to Bisharp man, while testing the team out literally the only way i could deal with it was glaring and hoping it didn't swords dance. I suggest testing out Choice Specs Keldeo > Slowking as it can get way more momentum for your team with its great speed and helps your huge dark weakness. Here's the set:
Keldeo-Resolute @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Scald


Also, HP Ice was really, really useless on Serperior. You'll most likely use Dragon Pulse versus most Mons anyway, but HP Ground helps your team a lot. Baiting in Heatran can help out Swellow and Mega Scizor have an easier time versus a lot of teams.

Serperior @ Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Glare


GL with the team breh
I feel really useless just leaving one suggestion for your threatlist, but I'm super tired ;-; I plan to come back later and seriously look at this team because tbh Swellow is dope :] Also the team has a couple cool things I want to try, like that Slowking.

Anyway HP ground seems like the better option over Ice on Serp, especially bc u already trap the fire weaks with magnets.

Also, real quick, DD Zard X looks like a huge threat to your team, honestly not quite sure right now what I'd change, but I'll put some thought to it and come back later.

Nice RMT nevertheless, hopefully after I wake up, I'll be able to come back and give a more comprehensive rate.
Ok. Thanks for your input. I have changed HP Ice to HP Ground ('cause I completely forgot the dragon type matchup XD) and it has REALLY helped out. Thanks a bunch :)

As for Keldeo, while I appreciate the option (I am going to add it as an alternate setup), it just leaves my team overly open to special attackers, offense (which Future Sight deals with nicely) and having Keldeo just opens the difficulty that this team has with faster attackers further. A big part of why I chose Slowking over anything else (aside from Regen being dope) was as it gave me big help regarding switching in and taking hits, most notably with special attackers (which this team struggles with) and M-Metagross (which is pretty big considering that the only reliable answer to it that I have is Lando-T, who can't even switch in and Intimidate it turn 1 due to Clear Body). My playstyle tends to favor offensive/hyper offensive playstyles with something which can take hits, even if it costs a little momentum. And its not exactly hard for me to regain momentum on this team regardless :) Adding as an alt, so thanks for the suggestion :)
 

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Honestly after coming back, the only other things I can see, is the fact that Maybe you're a bit weak to stuff like Manectric and NP Thundurus. You could always run a fully defensive lando, with lil spdef investment, it lives one HP ice from Thundy and Manec iirc, and also checks Zard X a bit better, because your team is a bit weak to Zard X. Moving to Hp Ground over Ice on Serp kinda slightly lowers your Zard weakness, so I think that was a good change. Other than that I really dont have much ;-; Good luck with the team :]
I'll test defensive Lando-T. It is an interresting suggestion, and I am intrigued by it. However, I do want to keep HP Ice on it as I need any way I can get to lure in opposing Chomps, Landos and Gliscors, which means that I'll have to go Relaxed>Impish (gives me a higher defense stat than using sassy despite how much investment is needed to live that hit before SR), and I will use Rocky Helmet to better handle Bisharp. So, I will be testing this set:

Landorus-T @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 80 Def / 36 SpA / 144 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def
- Stealth Rock
- U-Turn
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power

Thanks for the suggestion :)

edit: spread updated to 2HKO the standard TankChomp spread after rocks
 
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Sorry to double post, but I missed this and it'd be preferable if alerts were sent out when I respond to stuff like this :/
hey man ur team is a little bit manetric-mega/raikou weak. As manetric outspeeds 5/6 of ur mons while ur scarfer cant really do much back to manetric. Ur team has mentioned by other ppl is also a little bit of bisharp weak i recommend switching landorus-therian ---->hippowdown. heres the set i would run.



Hippowdon @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 176 HP / 232 Def / 100 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge

This spread make sures u dont get 2koed by mega-manetric. the rest is just tossed in def and hp to let u deal with bisharp and other hard hitting physical mons like talonflame. earthquake is for stab slack off to stay alive stealth rocks are their for rocks and stone edge to hit things like talonflame, thundurs.

If u dont like hippo since hippo kinda loses momentuim for u. then i would just suggest running 24 spa in landorus-t. this guranttes that u 2ko garchomp

20 SpA Landorus-T Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 212-252 (50.4 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

24 SpA Landorus-T Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 192+ SpD Gliscor: 172-204 (48.8 - 57.9%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Poison Heal


gl with the team man and i hope i helped.
I won't change to Hippo as it kinda destroys momentum and the main reason that Slowking is currently salvageable despite the momentum loss is because it is the only momentum killer on the team, but having another would make me need to regain momentum too often for it to be worthwhile in the long run. If I were to run Hippo tho, I'd run Ice Fang>Stone Edge as it is Ice-type coverage for chomper tho. I will add this to the Keldeo variant, as it looks like it makes more sense for the team with Keldeo than it does alongside Slowking as it is a VoltTurn team, so thanks for the suggestion.

I will change my Lando-T spread to that regardless of the team tho, although you have the numbers wrong (as I am currently using Earth Plate/Leftovers (depending on whether I end up switching to defensive or not), I need 36 to 2HKO after rocks (and an extortionate amount to KO without them). I will update all spreads to align with this. Thanks for pointing out that I didn't guarantee the 2HKO on Chomper tho :)
 
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Like the team overall. One thing that I would like to add that would benefit the main star is changing swellow's item from toxic orb to flame orb. While it might look like a bad thing, Guts neutralizes the attack drop you get from burns. On top of that, the flame orb will benefit you more in the long run by reducing less hp.

This article explains what I'm talking about http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Guts_(Ability)

Hope that helps and good luck.
 
Like the team overall. One thing that I would like to add that would benefit the main star is changing swellow's item from toxic orb to flame orb. While it might look like a bad thing, Guts neutralizes the attack drop you get from burns. On top of that, the flame orb will benefit you more in the long run by reducing less hp.

This article explains what I'm talking about http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Guts_(Ability)

Hope that helps and good luck.
Actually, Swellow rarely stays in long enough for Toxic to get too powerful, meaning that it actually takes LESS damage from Toxic, so I feel this is not a wise choice.
 

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Like the team overall. One thing that I would like to add that would benefit the main star is changing swellow's item from toxic orb to flame orb. While it might look like a bad thing, Guts neutralizes the attack drop you get from burns. On top of that, the flame orb will benefit you more in the long run by reducing less hp.

This article explains what I'm talking about http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Guts_(Ability)

Hope that helps and good luck.
Flame Orb only deals less damage after 4 turns. However, Swellow is almost never in for more than 3 turns. Therefore, Toxic Orb is the better choice. I already knew that Guts ignored the attack drop :)
 
I can see that your team is weak to Zard-Y.if your Swellow and magnezone is dead,with your Slowking being weakened,It's pretty hard to fight back against a Charizard-Y like that,so I recommend you switching out Landorus-Therian for something with sand stream or drizzle or can setup rain dances ezpz.Since there is nothing that reliably setups a sandstorm and has u-turn/volt switch,I picked up a bulky tyranitar set.



Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rock Slide/Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Fire Punch
- Stealth Rock

SR makes up with the loss of SR with landorus,Rock Slide could help you with flinches but you can use Stone Edge for damage,Crunch is just for a STAB move and Fire Punch gives you a reliable way to kill bulky steels(which is what you said that bulky steels fuck you up)


Not only that,but Talonflame also can wreck train against you and the only check for it is magnezone,so tyranitar also helps with that.
 

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I can see that your team is weak to Zard-Y.if your Swellow and magnezone is dead,with your Slowking being weakened,It's pretty hard to fight back against a Charizard-Y like that,so I recommend you switching out Landorus-Therian for something with sand stream or drizzle or can setup rain dances ezpz.Since there is nothing that reliably setups a sandstorm and has u-turn/volt switch,I picked up a bulky tyranitar set.



Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rock Slide/Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Fire Punch
- Stealth Rock

SR makes up with the loss of SR with landorus,Rock Slide could help you with flinches but you can use Stone Edge for damage,Crunch is just for a STAB move and Fire Punch gives you a reliable way to kill bulky steels(which is what you said that bulky steels fuck you up)


Not only that,but Talonflame also can wreck train against you and the only check for it is magnezone,so tyranitar also helps with that.
Hi! From playing, I have found that this team has little trouble versus Mega Charizard Y. For Sand Steam, I there is a mixed defensive Hippowdon variant in the OP. Tyranitar just further opens up this team's weaknesses to Pokémon like Mega Lopunny and Mega Metagross, making it a generally poor choice. However, I appreciate the suggestion, so thank you. However, the conditions required for Tyranitar to be effective are so specific that it really isn't worth it.
 

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Ok. After some testing, I have decided to go with the RH Lando-T set. However, I felt that it was missing too much physical bulk for me to be able to afford to try and take the hit, so I am changing to this Lando set:

Landorus-T @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpA / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def
- Stealth Rock
- U-Turn
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power

This will be updated in the OP soon with the updated description
 
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