Welcome to Bust a Move, the Pet Mod all about taking the many moves that have failed to leave a lasting impression and buffing them to the point where they are viable in Singles Competitive on at least one Pokemon. This is a National Dex meta, so submitters will have plenty of users for these newly buffed moves. Barring a few restrictions, submitters are free to take a move in any direction they like so long as it fits the general flavor.
Submission Guidelines
1. Submitters may not change the move's designation (physical, special, status).
2. Submitters will only be allowed to change a move's type if specifically deemed acceptable by the leaders/council. There are a few cases where changing typing may be necessary to differentiate a move or ensure a move doesn't violate Rule 3. This will be determined on a case by case basis, and any type change does still need to reflect the moves' flavor.
3. Moves may not be buffed in a way that would make them a clone of a pre-existing move or make an already good move obsolete. I want to refrain from just copying pre-existing moves, as that may not give the buffed move a chance to really stand out (also I'd find that really boring). This is why we're probably not going to bother with weaker versions of already good moves like Mega Drain, since it'd be hard to buff that without invalidating Giga Drain. The latter half of this rule is to prevent the mod from being locked in an eternal cycle where our buffs end up forcing us to buff other moves due to power creep.
4. Moves may not be given a specific effect when used with a particular mon. This would be both arbitrary and basically cheating, so no "x move does this particular thing when Rhyperior uses it" for instance.
5. Moves must be balanced and not involve uncompetitive tactics. Pretty simple. In some cases, users may be expected to nerf certain aspects of moves in order to keep it balanced (for example, the recharge moves will likely end up losing some BP considering recharge will be removed as a factor). An effect like lowering accuracy or freezing is only permissible if the move already does that.
6. Moves can receive wider distribution, but try to show restraint. Moves may be added to new mons if giving those mons the move would make sense flavorwise. However, expanded distribution should make logical sense on any new learners; don't just give mons revised moves because "it would be cool" or "it would be decent coverage". New distribution will be limited to 3 mons unless otherwise stated; the exact number may increase/decrease depending on the strength of the move. Moves cannot be removed from mons that already have them.
7. Moves should not have more than 2 distinct secondary effects. Given how many moves we're going to be buffing, it is in our best interest to not use up all possible effects right away. For example, something like base Fling counts as one effect since the various effects items can have are all based on the same mechanic, but Fire Fang counts as two effects since burns and flinching are inherently unrelated effects.
Some additional rules may arise for specific moves, but otherwise you can basically do whatever you want with the moves as long as you follow these guidelines!
Submission Process
The slate process is comprised of several phases:
While the bulk of this mod will be centered around balancing moves for standard formats, there are several moves in need of a buff that are currently restricted to Ubers mons, in which case the move will either be buffed specifically to function in Ubers or, if the move is good but the user simply has a better option, will be allowed a special limited distribution to one non-Ubers mon. In the latter case, submitters will nominate one mon to receive this move during the submission phase, with the voting phase for that move being between the approved potential recipients. Additionally, we will also occasionally focus a slate on "second-stringer" moves: moves that do see Singles usage, but either only due to lack of options or are just generally underpowered in some aspect. Due to the subjective nature of these slates, these slates will be decided by the council rather than through the regular slate selection process after careful evaluation.
Thread Behavior
Council
okispokis
Paulluxx
Rasdanation
Current Activity
Nothing!
Bust a Move is playable on Dragon Heaven here.
With all that said, please have fun and boost some moves!
Submission Guidelines
1. Submitters may not change the move's designation (physical, special, status).
2. Submitters will only be allowed to change a move's type if specifically deemed acceptable by the leaders/council. There are a few cases where changing typing may be necessary to differentiate a move or ensure a move doesn't violate Rule 3. This will be determined on a case by case basis, and any type change does still need to reflect the moves' flavor.
3. Moves may not be buffed in a way that would make them a clone of a pre-existing move or make an already good move obsolete. I want to refrain from just copying pre-existing moves, as that may not give the buffed move a chance to really stand out (also I'd find that really boring). This is why we're probably not going to bother with weaker versions of already good moves like Mega Drain, since it'd be hard to buff that without invalidating Giga Drain. The latter half of this rule is to prevent the mod from being locked in an eternal cycle where our buffs end up forcing us to buff other moves due to power creep.
4. Moves may not be given a specific effect when used with a particular mon. This would be both arbitrary and basically cheating, so no "x move does this particular thing when Rhyperior uses it" for instance.
5. Moves must be balanced and not involve uncompetitive tactics. Pretty simple. In some cases, users may be expected to nerf certain aspects of moves in order to keep it balanced (for example, the recharge moves will likely end up losing some BP considering recharge will be removed as a factor). An effect like lowering accuracy or freezing is only permissible if the move already does that.
6. Moves can receive wider distribution, but try to show restraint. Moves may be added to new mons if giving those mons the move would make sense flavorwise. However, expanded distribution should make logical sense on any new learners; don't just give mons revised moves because "it would be cool" or "it would be decent coverage". New distribution will be limited to 3 mons unless otherwise stated; the exact number may increase/decrease depending on the strength of the move. Moves cannot be removed from mons that already have them.
7. Moves should not have more than 2 distinct secondary effects. Given how many moves we're going to be buffing, it is in our best interest to not use up all possible effects right away. For example, something like base Fling counts as one effect since the various effects items can have are all based on the same mechanic, but Fire Fang counts as two effects since burns and flinching are inherently unrelated effects.
Some additional rules may arise for specific moves, but otherwise you can basically do whatever you want with the moves as long as you follow these guidelines!
Move Name:
Type:
BP: [Just write "-" or something similar if this is a status move]
PP: [This should be base PP (see Smogon's Strategy PokeDex). You may also put down max PP if you want (10 PP would be 16 max)]
Accuracy: [Depending on how much you buff BP, you should consider nerfing this unless you have some other drawback]
Secondary Effect: [You are allowed to completely change this as long as the new effect isn't broken]
New Users: [This can actually be your only change if you can make a case for how good it would be on the new user]
Viable Users: Must list at least one Pokemon that would have serious reason to use this move in competitive play.
Description: Anything you want to clarify or explain regarding your change.
Submitters must make it clear which aspects of the move (BP, Accuracy, etc.) are being changed. A buff can't be considered if it's unclear what it is.
Type:
BP: [Just write "-" or something similar if this is a status move]
PP: [This should be base PP (see Smogon's Strategy PokeDex). You may also put down max PP if you want (10 PP would be 16 max)]
Accuracy: [Depending on how much you buff BP, you should consider nerfing this unless you have some other drawback]
Secondary Effect: [You are allowed to completely change this as long as the new effect isn't broken]
New Users: [This can actually be your only change if you can make a case for how good it would be on the new user]
Viable Users: Must list at least one Pokemon that would have serious reason to use this move in competitive play.
Description: Anything you want to clarify or explain regarding your change.
Submitters must make it clear which aspects of the move (BP, Accuracy, etc.) are being changed. A buff can't be considered if it's unclear what it is.
Move Name:
Type:
BP:
PP:
Accuracy:
Secondary Effect:
New Users:
Viable Users:
Description:
Type:
BP:
PP:
Accuracy:
Secondary Effect:
New Users:
Viable Users:
Description:
Submission Process
The slate process is comprised of several phases:
- Phase 1: Before a slate begins, participants will choose a trio of moves that will be buffed in the upcoming slate.
- Phase 2: The submission process will last a week (at least for now), so new submitters will have plenty of time to think of what direction they want to take the move(s) in question in. I will make a feedback post about 24 hours before the deadline in order to veto submissions that violate the guidelines and suggest changes to said violators.
- Phase 3: The voting phase will last for 3 days. Voters will be allowed to vote for up to three different submissions for each move, in order of preference.
- For self-voting, we are now employing the lyd model- for every submission posted for a slate, the submitter will get 2 Self-Vote points. Self-voting 1st will cost 3 SV, second 2 SV and third 1 SV. See below for specific details.
- Votes will be tallied based on position (first worth the most, fifth worth the least), and each winner will be chosen based on which submission gets the most cumulative points. In the event of a tie, the winner will be whichever submission has the most first-place votes, then second-place votes, etc. You do not have to post a submission for a slate in order to vote, so don't feel pressured if you don't have any ideas for one slate.
If okispokis has posted 3 legal submissions, he gets 6 SV points. He can vote:
X: lyd, okispokis, Paulluxx
Y: lyd, okispokis, Paulluxx
Z: lyd, okispokis, Paulluxx
or
X: okispokis, lyd, Paulluxx
Y: lyd, okispokis, Paulluxx
Z: lyd, Paulluxx, okispokis
or
X: okispokis, lyd, Paulluxx
Y: okispokis, lyd, Paulluxx
Z: lyd, Paulluxx, Z-nogyroP
X: lyd, okispokis, Paulluxx
Y: lyd, okispokis, Paulluxx
Z: lyd, okispokis, Paulluxx
or
X: okispokis, lyd, Paulluxx
Y: lyd, okispokis, Paulluxx
Z: lyd, Paulluxx, okispokis
or
X: okispokis, lyd, Paulluxx
Y: okispokis, lyd, Paulluxx
Z: lyd, Paulluxx, Z-nogyroP
While the bulk of this mod will be centered around balancing moves for standard formats, there are several moves in need of a buff that are currently restricted to Ubers mons, in which case the move will either be buffed specifically to function in Ubers or, if the move is good but the user simply has a better option, will be allowed a special limited distribution to one non-Ubers mon. In the latter case, submitters will nominate one mon to receive this move during the submission phase, with the voting phase for that move being between the approved potential recipients. Additionally, we will also occasionally focus a slate on "second-stringer" moves: moves that do see Singles usage, but either only due to lack of options or are just generally underpowered in some aspect. Due to the subjective nature of these slates, these slates will be decided by the council rather than through the regular slate selection process after careful evaluation.
Thread Behavior
- For the sake of avoiding clutter, please refrain from posting one liners. It would be preferable if submitters would refrain from posting in general unless submitting or voting on the current slate. If you have any question about something, please feel free to visit our Discord Server: https://discord.gg/hB6tAdmWbp
- Any kind of flaming or harassment is strictly prohibited. We expect a certain level of civility on this thread and in the Discord server.
Council
Rasdanation
Current Activity
Nothing!
Bust a Move is playable on Dragon Heaven here.
With all that said, please have fun and boost some moves!
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