(Found a better size)
Team Building Process:
Anyways, this team was born out of my desire to expand into new builds of stall that weren't already made by Syrim or Donkey nor used the Heatran and Grass Arceus core. I also was particularly annoyed with Ho-Oh so I wanted to have this stall team use Rock Arceus that way I could give it a big fuck you every time it was sent out. I typically build my Ubers stall by gathering a bunch of checks to what I consider the biggest offensive threats (Zekrom, Mewtwo, Latios, Rayquaza, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, and Palkia) while trying to include basic stall utilities (Spikes, Ghost-type, Stealth Rock, and Rapid Spin) and then polish that up with set changes to cover all the other notable threats. I'm sure others build their stall in a completely different and more effective way but that's just how I build mine so, if it helps, feel free to do the same.
Following this formula, I found that I couldn't build a stall team that I was satisfied with using the standard Ubers Pokemon. So I decided to look for new Pokemon that could check enough of the seven major threats. I came across Umbreon who was capable of checking most Mewtwo variants and CM Draco Latios (another Pokemon I was frustrated with at the time). Although this is very similar to Jirachi, Umbreon had the advantage of not requiring rain to do so (which means I only dedicate one slot to check the two Psychic-types) and he also had things like Taunt and Foul Play to not be as reliant on further team support.
With these two assumed, all that remained for me to add were checks to Zekrom and the Water-types, Palkia and Kyogre, as well as Spikes, Rapid Spin, and a spinblocker. I was certain that I wanted to add Giratina-O because I also like to have a Ground immunity somewhere, particularly for Groudon. Afterwords, things got a bit more tricky. At the time, I felt weather was a necessity to handle the dangerous weather sweepers in the metagame. However, I realized that the only weather sweeper dangerous enough to really warrant this was Excadrill. Which is why I decided to add Skarmory, who also had the benefit of providing Spikes for my team. Excadrill fit easily afterwords as he checks Zekrom and is a reliable Rapid Spin user. All that remained was for me to find an answer to Choice Specs Kyogre and rain Palkia, which is very demanding. I first considered Gastrodon but then I would be without an Ice resist and very vulnerable to Ice Beam spam. Since nothing in the currently used list of Ubers fit this hole, I decided to look again for something new and found Vaporeon. This build required a fair amount of polishing but, despite the unorthodox members, I managed to find sets that removed the majority of my weaknesses. The interesting bit is that this team ended up with completely custom movesets, the closest thing to standard is my Rock Arceus.
Team at a Glance:
Caution: All my EV spreads are bullshit. I put the basic/standard EV spreads to hide my creep and special defensive tweaks. (Although I ripped Excadrill's spread from Syrim's post in the Ubers Teambuilding thread) I strongly encourage you to experiment with your own spreads and add your own speed creep. Hell, feel free to mess with the movesets or mons as well, this is just the build I like playing with.
Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Foul Play
- Taunt
- Wish
- Protect
Set explanation:
The star of my team. Foul play 2HKOs Latios and Mewtwo making Umbreon an excellent check to even CM Latios and Taunt Mewtwo. It also hits Genesect for meaty 40% minimum which is enough to make sure Genesect only switches in like that once. Taunt helps against Ferrothorn and Forretress while pestering stall teams in general. Wish heals Umbreon and heals his teammates so I can go directly into a check without fear of my check getting worn down or being unhealthy enough to serve its purpose. Protect allows Umbreon to profit from his own Wishes but also to grab some clutch recovery like after switching into Mewtwo's sun Fire Blast or Aura Sphere.
Role on the team:
Umbreon makes up part of my Eeveelutions special wall core. Because of Taunt, I favor Umbreon when up against Stall teams as he can prevent me from falling behind in the hazards game and can just be a general pest. Umbreon is the hardest thing to switch into on my team as Foul Play punishes any strong physical attackers while Taunt prevents status. He also combos with Excadrill to take down Steel Arceus as Taunt can prevent Steelceus from burning Excadrill long enough for it to lose to his Earthquake spam. Umbreon's Wish passing makes it a lot harder for the opponent to wear my team down without focusing their pressure on Umbreon himself.
Arceus-Rock @ Stone Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Judgment
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Stealth Rock
Set explanation:
An almost standard support Rock Arceus. Will-O-Wisp is standard fare for Rockceus because no Fire-types would dare switching into Arceus's Judgment. It's also really important for burning Ferrothorn and Groudon, two threats that would be extra annoying if they didn't have their attacks crippled and health whittled away. Stealth Rock is sort of unusual for Rockceus as it typically prefers Grass Knot in the last slot. However, I needed Stealth Rock somewhere and I actually like it on Rockceus even though it's forced. Rockceus finds plenty of opportunities to set it up against standard sun (Ho-Oh, Groudon, Anti-SR, Kyogre check, Ghost-type, Revenge Killer) which is arguably the most important team type to have SR up against as their focus is on abusing Ho-Oh to it's maximum.
Role on the team:
Arceus-Rock is the most team match-up reliant member on my team. It's really valuable when I'm playing against Rayquaza, Ho-Oh, or sand teams. Otherwise, it's sometimes nothing more than just a body bag or backup check to something. If I see that I won't need it, I'll often just abuse its Speed and general bulk to go for a suicide SR early on so that I'm not pestered by something like a Genesect.
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Toxic
- Heal Bell / Scald
- Wish
- Protect
Set explanation:
This Eeveelution is focused more on team support than self sufficiency. Toxic gives me a way to cripple CM Arceus formes as well as general damage. Heal Bell is also something I can't really afford to fit on Umbreon but it's really nice to have for Thunder paralyses and random Toxics. It also helps out with Darkrai as I can "sack" anything I won't need early game knowing that I can use Heal Bell once the Darkrai is dead. However, you can get away with running Scald, instead, which helps a lot when playing against Tornadus(-T). Wish + Protect is the only reliable recovery Vaporeon has but it's also really valuable to have a second Wish passer. It's a lot harder to pressure both Eeveelutions which allows one of them to get away with passing the Wishes to a friend instead of keeping it for himself.
Role on the team:
The other half of my Eeveelutions core, Vaporeon covers what Umbreon can't. Vaporeon has no problem with the rain-boosted Hydro Pumps and Water Spouts that could bust Umbreon's special bulk. He also has a good typing for Toxicing the majority of the CM Arceus formes. However, Vaporeon is major Spikes fodder so I try to keep him away when playing against Stall, at least until their hazard setter dies off. Against more offensive teams, I tend to prefer using Vaporeon because Genesect's U-turn only maxes at 62% which is easily shrugged off by Wish + Protect.
Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Bold Nature
- Taunt
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Spikes
Set explanation:
Credits to lousy#s for the Rocky Helmet Skarmory. I first saw it used in one of his RMTs and ever since it's a set I like using when I feel I'm weak to Excadrill or want to pester Forretress and Genesect. The moveset is nothing special, I opt for Taunt because I hate being Spikes fodder and I don't need Toxic thanks to Rocky Helmet.
Role on the team:
Having Spikes is vital for a Stall team and Skarmory is my favorite Spike setter. He's just reliable at doing the job, there's almost always something on the opponent's team that he can setup layers on. He's also pretty self sufficient, he's not fodder for other hazard setters because of Taunt, he has Roost to keep himself healthy, and he has Whirlwind to punish switches and screw with anything ballsy enough to try to setup on him. He's also useful for forcing Grass Arceus and Steel Arceus out until I can hit them with Toxic (Grassceus) or trap them in a last mon scenario with Excadrill. (Steelceus) My only complaint is that he is vulnerable to Choice Specs Kyogre, if my team wasn't already somewhat stall weak I would drop Taunt in favor of Protect.
Excadrill @ Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 96 HP / 136 Atk / 200 SDef / 76 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Protect
- Rapid Spin
Set explanation:
I just love Excadrill, he's so flexible. I've gone through like a million set changes between him and Giratina-O, and although they didn't work out for this team, there are definitely some sets that I will reuse on different teams. On this team I wanted Excadrill to be able to cripple Grass Arceus with Toxic, which works out because the move also dicks with Ghost Arceus. I also wanted Excadrill to counter standard Gliscor because I needed one someplace. Air Balloon allows him to do so while also giving him an immunity to Spikes. This extreme hazards resistance on my Rapid Spin user helps out a lot with my stall weakness, even if Excadrill needs hazards support to break their bulky Ghost-types. Protect is really helpful in easing prediction by scouting Choice Specs Kyogre's attack and also allows me to use Excadrill as my U-turn tank when needed.
Role on the team:
Excadrill's primary roll is to use Rabid Spin, of course, but he also does me quite a few other favors. He's a Zekrom check that can stop him from taking momentum with Volt Switch and general Thunder immunity (cause fuck that move). It's also really nice to have something that can smack Dialga and the other Steel-types, that are resistant to my passive damage, with a meaty Earthquake. That strong Earthquake also helps the team out with stall breakers like Steel Arceus (haha, fuck you Sub Steelceus) or Dark Arceus.
Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Tail
- Shadow Sneak
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Set explanation:
This is a set that Donkey and I made for another team that I decided to use on this one when he pointed out how well it would fit. Shadow Sneak is unusual for RestTalk Giratina-O but it's great for teams that are slightly weak to Mewtwo and/or Latios that need to be able to shrug off status. It does mean that it can't do much to Excadrill but I have Rocky Helmet Skarmory to pseudo-spinblock him. It also can't fast phaze Spikers like the standard RestTalk variant (at least, not without being extremely lucky) but the meatier Dragon Tail and status immunity is usually enough to dick with stall when supplied with enough hazards.
Role on the team:
I needed something to patch my CM Mewtwo weakness as well as handle defensive Kyogre variants. Dragon Tail is strong enough to 3HKO specially defensive Kyogre while the physically defensive variants are still at least getting forced out with a token 25%(ish) where it'll eventually fall to hazards or find itself in a last mon scenario against my Vaporeon. Although this set is more vulnerable to Spikes setters than a double phaze set would be, the stronger Dragon Tail makes up for this by being significantly more difficult for stall/defensive balanced team types to handle. Shadow Sneak actually helps me out against the defensive teams mine struggles the most with, those with RestTalk Giratina-O, by smacking their fast phazer with a Shadow Sneak when needed. (I also struggle with Giratina-A teams but this set can afford to creep much more than a Giratina-A can) Also, because I lack weather, Giratina-O serves as my main check to both Blaziken and Kabutops.
Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Foul Play
- Taunt
- Wish
- Protect
Arceus (Arceus-Rock) @ Stone Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Judgment
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Stealth Rock
Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Heal Bell
- Wish
- Protect
Skarmory (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Taunt
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Spikes
Excadrill (M) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 96 HP / 136 Atk / 200 SDef / 76 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Protect
- Rapid Spin
Giratina (Giratina-Origin) @ Griseous Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Tail
- Shadow Sneak
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Ability: Inner Focus
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Foul Play
- Taunt
- Wish
- Protect
Arceus (Arceus-Rock) @ Stone Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Judgment
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Stealth Rock
Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Heal Bell
- Wish
- Protect
Skarmory (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Taunt
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Spikes
Excadrill (M) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 96 HP / 136 Atk / 200 SDef / 76 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Protect
- Rapid Spin
Giratina (Giratina-Origin) @ Griseous Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Tail
- Shadow Sneak
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Why not Heatran/Grassceus?
This is a legitimate suggestion, I could very well remove Rockceus + Vaporeon for Heatran + Grassceus. However, besides the fact that I wanted to avoid using this core, there are a few reasons why I don't. Using this core would leave me much more vulnerable to Fighting Arceus, Darkrai, Omastar, and Tornadus(-T) as well as losing the interesting reinforced Wish passing dynamic this team has. However, in exchange, my team would be capable of handling CM and defensive Kyogre, Groudon, rain Palkia and Grass Arceus much better and having a better general matchup against rain stall.
Conclusion:
Feel free to rate and suggest any changes, regardless of what they change. This is actually a serious team and the Pokemon/sets used aren't gimmicks for gimmicks. If you can make this team better (while accomplishing the original goal) with standard stuff go right on ahead.
Also, seeing as this RMT is a rare and abnormal thing for me to do, I figured I might as well do another rare and abnormal thing: shout outs. Keep in mind that I'm not very good at discerning the line between "where's my name?" and "wtf, why did he mention me?" so since I hate doing shout outs out of fear of doing the former expect to see much more of the latter. If I do happen to forget your name when I shouldn't have, feel free to bitch at me relentlessly. Also, this list isn't in any particular order.
Enguarde: Lugiass :>
Dice: Dw, there's no Slowking
Furai: I know how much you enjoyed playing against this team ;)
Shrang: Is there enough protect?
Donkey: Did I do Eeveelutions right?
Blim: How is it that you win everywhere but URUC?
Edgar: Tsk, tsk, betraying your honor and pride as a tournament player to ghost another :p
Sweep: Stunfisk sux, my gimmicks are legit
Hack: I need you to spectate all my battles so you can predict more crits for me
Anik: Smodrone 4vr
Syrim: Thanks for you patience with me when teaching me ubers
Theorymon: You do ubers wrong
Jibaku: Carbink is amazing, shut up.
Jrp: fgt
Skylight: I'm willing to teach you ubers anytime
Cheruagent: See above, I owe you for RU
Charmander: I may be getting Melee again soon, make me good please
Mekkah: Dragonite <3 (yes I'm just as gimmicky in comp mons)
CaptKirby: thanks for showing me #tcg
Dtc: You should stop talking to tibot so much
Limi: Limey
Yilx: There's no liepards and no scald
Ganj4lf: I can't wait til the next CTP
Alexwolf: Forget about OU, ubers is the best :D
Faint: Looks like you are going to have to do something other than deo-s + ghost + 4 sweepers this gen
Cbt: Fairies forever
Manaphy: Did you read this whole thing with my squeaky voice in your head?
Electrolyte: Why is smogon down?
Malo: Hey
Trickroom: GyaraBOSS
Treecko: cute
Barry4ever: thanks for getting me on IRC
TheMantyke: thanks for all the vgc help
Eggy/mizuhime: you need to stop changing names, it's hard enough for me to keep track of even one :(
Molk: MoIk
Oglemi: I guess I should stick something excessively gay here so...
Hugendugen: Gliscor, gliscor, gliscor gliscorglicsor
Aurora: I can't figure out a way to get away with saying "calm the fuck down"
Novae: I'm always available to talk ubers :)
Novaray: Not like I could separate you from a list jrp was in
Nexus: Idk why people say you are mean
Dy8: You find the cutest plushies
Darknesscrusher: Man, school must have killed you
Pwnemon: Wobbles lost :(
Mocirano: You're cool
Mikel: wow very nice much funny
Macle: Yes, I'm a virgin. Uncut, too.
Alkinskdmjfs: How often are we actually on IRC together?
Polop: Standard dd ray sux
Frizy: #penis
Kyosuke_nanbu: Flutterby forever
Fireburn: FUCK HO-OH
Crackinskulls: Thanks for helping me out when I was trying to learn the bare basics of ubers
Guest 9378: You helped me out SO much when I was new, I miss you :(
TGMD: I don't know if I ever told you but I thought gr8astard was an alt you made after the 0ST9 drama...
Probs: is the boy
Steamroll: <butt> Melee_Mewtwo: steambutt
Dcae: Belly Drum Smeargle is OP
Dice: Dw, there's no Slowking
Furai: I know how much you enjoyed playing against this team ;)
Shrang: Is there enough protect?
Donkey: Did I do Eeveelutions right?
Blim: How is it that you win everywhere but URUC?
Edgar: Tsk, tsk, betraying your honor and pride as a tournament player to ghost another :p
Sweep: Stunfisk sux, my gimmicks are legit
Hack: I need you to spectate all my battles so you can predict more crits for me
Anik: Smodrone 4vr
Syrim: Thanks for you patience with me when teaching me ubers
Theorymon: You do ubers wrong
Jibaku: Carbink is amazing, shut up.
Jrp: fgt
Skylight: I'm willing to teach you ubers anytime
Cheruagent: See above, I owe you for RU
Charmander: I may be getting Melee again soon, make me good please
Mekkah: Dragonite <3 (yes I'm just as gimmicky in comp mons)
CaptKirby: thanks for showing me #tcg
Dtc: You should stop talking to tibot so much
Limi: Limey
Yilx: There's no liepards and no scald
Ganj4lf: I can't wait til the next CTP
Alexwolf: Forget about OU, ubers is the best :D
Faint: Looks like you are going to have to do something other than deo-s + ghost + 4 sweepers this gen
Cbt: Fairies forever
Manaphy: Did you read this whole thing with my squeaky voice in your head?
Electrolyte: Why is smogon down?
Malo: Hey
Trickroom: GyaraBOSS
Treecko: cute
Barry4ever: thanks for getting me on IRC
TheMantyke: thanks for all the vgc help
Eggy/mizuhime: you need to stop changing names, it's hard enough for me to keep track of even one :(
Molk: MoIk
Oglemi: I guess I should stick something excessively gay here so...
Hugendugen: Gliscor, gliscor, gliscor gliscorglicsor
Aurora: I can't figure out a way to get away with saying "calm the fuck down"
Novae: I'm always available to talk ubers :)
Novaray: Not like I could separate you from a list jrp was in
Nexus: Idk why people say you are mean
Dy8: You find the cutest plushies
Darknesscrusher: Man, school must have killed you
Pwnemon: Wobbles lost :(
Mocirano: You're cool
Mikel: wow very nice much funny
Macle: Yes, I'm a virgin. Uncut, too.
Alkinskdmjfs: How often are we actually on IRC together?
Polop: Standard dd ray sux
Frizy: #penis
Kyosuke_nanbu: Flutterby forever
Fireburn: FUCK HO-OH
Crackinskulls: Thanks for helping me out when I was trying to learn the bare basics of ubers
Guest 9378: You helped me out SO much when I was new, I miss you :(
TGMD: I don't know if I ever told you but I thought gr8astard was an alt you made after the 0ST9 drama...
Probs: is the boy
Steamroll: <butt> Melee_Mewtwo: steambutt
Dcae: Belly Drum Smeargle is OP
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