Ubers BIG SLUGGA

[Lasen]

[Overview]
Gastrodon is a premier counter to one of the strongest Ubers Pokemon in Kyogre because it's immune to Kyogre's STAB attacks and Thunder. Unlike Eternatus, Gastrodon is less likely to lose to Kyogre through status and can always beat Kyogre's Choice Specs set. It can also switch into Dracovish spamming Fishious Rend, safely switch into defensive Necrozma-DM not running Knock Off, and counter special Palkia and Dialga that are not running Choice Specs. However, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options like Eternatus and Ferrothorn and lets it freely use Rest; unlike Gastrodon, other special walls are able to switch in and shut down Kyogre by using it as an opportunity to heal, inflict status, or set entry hazards. Gastrodon is also susceptible to all entry hazards, especially Toxic Spikes, if not running Heavy-Duty Boots. When not facing Kyogre or Dracovish, Gastrodon is extremely underwhelming and offers little defensive value.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Clear Smog
move 3: Earthquake / Ice Beam / Icy Wind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Sassy / Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Scald's burn chance can punish common switch-ins like Eternatus and Yveltal looking to heal or use Defog on Gastrodon, deter wallbreakers like Zekrom and Groudon from freely switching in, and better handle Kyogre in case Ice Beam freezes Gastrodon. Clear Smog is necessary to prevent Calm Mind Kyogre from boosting significantly and powering through Gastrodon. Earthquake hits Eternatus and Toxapex trying to heal or set up Toxic Spikes, and it also catches Zekrom and Dialga for respectable damage. Alternatively, Ice Beam prevents Zygarde-C from using Substitute and setting up on Gastrodon with Coil or Dragon Dance, while Icy Wind conveniently lowers the Speed of switch-ins, such as Calyrex-S and Xerneas to allow Gastrodon's partners to switch in more safely. A Sassy nature is preferred when running Earthquake, while Calm is preferred when Ice Beam or Icy Wind is chosen. Leftovers provides some much appreciated passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots can help mitigate Gastrodon's weakness to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.

Gastrodon covering Kyogre and Dracovish frees up Eternatus to run offensive sets. Gastrodon being a Kyogre counter and general switch-in to Water- and Electric-type moves is great for Ho-Oh, which often loses momentum to Kyogre switching into Defog or a weakened Sacred Fire. In return, Ho-Oh is a switch-in for Grass types like Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Other partners like Ferrothorn and Skarmory can set Spikes to pressure threats to Gastrodon and force Yveltal to use Defog, which drains the opponent's momentum.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Toxic provides some decent residual damage against most foes, but Gastrodon is hard pressed to find space for it. Confide is an option over Clear Smog for Calm Mind Kyogre and Geomancy Xerneas running Substitute, but it is otherwise completely outclassed.

Checks and Counters
====

**Grass-types**: Even with Ice-type coverage, Gastrodon can't reliably check Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Ferrothorn is especially an issue, as it comfortably takes all of Gastrodon's attacks and gets a free chance to use Knock Off or set Spikes. It can also take Gastrodon out with its Grass-type STAB move and recover any small amount of damage it takes with Leech Seed.

**Special Walls**: Blissey, Ho-Oh, and Eternatus can repeatedly sponge any of Gastrodon's attacks and threaten it with Toxic. Blissey and Eternatus can also use Gastrodon to set Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes, respectively, as well.

**Xerneas**: Defensive Xerneas can use Gastrodon as an opportunity to provide cleric support, while Geomancy Xerneas can threaten it with a boosted Moonblast.

**Physical Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Groudon, Choice Band Marshadow, and Choice Band Urshifu-S all force Gastrodon out with their powerful attacks. None of them want to switch into Scald, however.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[Aberforth, 249382], [TrueNora, 432086]]
- Grammar checked by: [[DC, 449990], [dex, 277988]]

 

[Aberforth]

Generally, and I'm not sure how you would fix this, the analysis is too positive about Gastrodon.

Dont mention Eleki in the overview, its not relevant at all. Dracovish is a valuable immunity, eleki sucks. Does Bulk Up Palkia even lose to Gastrodon? I feel like it would use it as setup fodder. Tempted to remove the point entirely about both Sinnoh mons, but you can leave it in if you feel like its relevant.

Instead of Scald Burn affecting Zygarde, I would mention Groudon, given a random Zygarde is more likely to be running rest. I feel I'd also reorder the moveslot slashes to have ice coverage before EQ, Zekrom and STAB on Etern isnt as important as preventing Zygarde setup.

In the teammates section I would mention that Gastrodon can free Eternatus up to use more offensively inclined sets, with Kyogre being taken care of by it. In light of making the analysis itself more negative, you could point out that Gastrodon is a waste of a teamslot in the event Kyogre/Vish dont come, so the defensive roles of the rest of the team are very constrained.

I'd expand the C&C stuff to include Xerneas, defensive sets sit on it and do not give a shit. I feel like reading this overhypes Gastrodon, I'd honestly rather seperate out all of the Specially Defensive mons into their own sections just to emphasise how easy it is to deal with.

QC 1/2.

 

[TrueNora]

" Gastrodon is a premier counter to one of the strongest Ubers threats in Kyogre being by immune to both its STAB moves, thanks to Storm Drain, and Thunder. "
- please fix the phrasing. I get that you are saying it is immune to both Water STAB and Thunder but it is confusing right now.

I think apart the need to downplay Gastrodon's capabilities outside of checking ogre, I would emphasize its niche benefits over Eternatus/Blissey/Ferrothorn as strictly a Kyogre answer.
"Unlike the common Kyogre switch-in of Eternatus, Gastrodon is less prone to losing against Kyogre through status."
-I would change this a bit to clarify it. You can instead mention any of this:

Gastrodon is immune to Thunder Wave/Thunder, cannot be burned by Scald, and is not 2HKO by even Modest Specs Ice Beam unlike Eternatus. In comparison to Blissey, Gastrodon can run Leftovers/HDB, so it is less vulnerable to hazards + doubling attempts (or tspikes if running HDB) in situations vs Specs Kyogre. It also does can deal with SubCM Thunder Wave sets, assuming the Kyogre is only running max HP. Ferro is 2HKO by specs Water Spout.

Of course, apart from vs Kyogre, all of these mons offer more utility, e.g. could mention how Bliss can provide rocks/cleric/check other special attackers, Ferro has spikes + leech, Etern is a great Knock absorber etc. And since it is so weak/passive and is often forced to Recover, Kyogre and its teammates can easily end up PP stalling it even if you get a Kyogre matchup.

" counters defensive Necrozma-DM"
-just say it can switch into it, and add a bit about how it needs to scout/be careful of a potential knock (and toxic)

"With that being said, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options, meaning Kyogre can use Rest freely, while special walls often switch in and shut it down to heal, inflict status, or set up entry hazards in front of it."
-I would add something about the greater utility of its competitors here.

"Gastrodon is also susceptible to all entry hazards, with Toxic Spikes in particular being detrimental."
- I would add Heavy-Duty Boots as a slash. You can't necessarily fit offensive Etern with it, and boots helps to set it apart from Blissey as a Specs Ogre switch in. It also helps make the Ferro match up less sad for it.

"Ice Beam allows greater damage on Eternatus and Yveltal, "
- Ice Beam does less to Etern than Earthquake and only does marginally more than Scald vs Yveltal. I would delete this. Also I think you should mention that Ice Beam makes it harder to deal with Kyogre 1v1 and increases the chance of being PP stalled.

"Ho-Oh is a switch-in for threatening Grass types like Zarude, Tangrowth, and Ferrothorn, and it often absorbs status like Toxic for Gastrodon. Other strong partners include Ferrothorn and Skarmory, which use Spikes to defensively pressure what Gastrodon is threatened by, and Yveltal, which commonly loses momentum when using Defog like Ho-Oh. Gastrodon covering Kyogre and Dracovish frees up Eternatus to run offensive sets."

would reorder the grass types to Ferrothorn, Zarude, Tangrowth and remove threatening. Ho-Oh doesn't particularly want to eat a Toxic, so I would remove that and add rest Kyogre if you want to mention a status absorber or defensive Xerneas. I would also change strong to potential and remove the Skarm mention. I would push up the Offensive Eternatus mention and remove the Yveltal mention.

"Other Options."
- Could mention Magic Coat to let it one time softcheck offensive Etern and potentially remove Kyogre faster. As mentioned before, I think HDB should be slashed.

"Grass-types."
reorder again. change it to grass coverage for Ferro because it can run Bullet Seed.

QC 2/2

 

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[Overview]
Because of its immunity to Water- and Electric-type moves, Gastrodon is one of the best Kyogre counters in the tier. a premier counter to one of the strongest Ubers in Kyogre because it's immune to Kyogre's STAB attacks and Thunder. Unlike the common Kyogre switch-in of Eternatus, Gastrodon is able to beat Choice Specs Kyogre safely. less prone to losing against Kyogre through status and can always beat the Choice Specs set. It also pivots into Dracovish's spamming Fishious Rend, safely switches into defensive Necrozma-DM if it is not running Knock Off, and it also counters special Palkia and Dialga that are not running without Choice Specs. With that being said, However, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options, meaning Kyogre can use Rest freely, while special walls often switch in and shut it down to heal, inflict status, or set up entry hazards in front of it. and special walls can safely set up entry hazards, inflict status, and stall Gastrodon with healing. Gastrodon is also susceptible to all entry hazards, so if it is not running Heavy-Duty Boots, (AC) Toxic Spikes can be quite detrimental. When not facing Kyogre or Dracovish, Gastrodon is extremely underwhelming and constraints the rest of the team defensively.


[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Clear Smog
move 3: Earthquake / Ice Beam / Icy Wind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Sassy / Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Scald's burn chance can punish common switch-ins like Eternatus and Yveltal looking to heal or use Defog on Gastrodon, deter wallbreakers like Zekrom and Groudon from freely switching in, and better handle Kyogre in case Ice Beam freezes Gastrodon. Clear Smog is necessary to prevent Calm Mind Kyogre from boosting significantly setting up on and powering through Gastrodon. Earthquake hits Eternatus and Toxapex trying to heal or set up Toxic Spikes in front of it, and it also damages Zekrom and Dialga. catches Zekrom and Dialga for respectable damage. Alternatively, Ice Beam prevents Zygarde-C from using Substitute and trying to set up on Gastrodon with Coil or Dragon Dance, while Icy Wind conveniently lowers the Speed of switch-ins to allow Gastrodon's partners to switch in more safely. A Sassy nature is preferred when running Earthquake, while Calm is preferred when Ice Beam or Icy Wind is chosen. Leftovers provides some much appreciated passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots can help mitigate Gastrodon's weakness to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.

Gastrodon's ability to cover covering Kyogre and Dracovish frees up Eternatus to run offensive sets. Gastrodon being Being a Kyogre counter and general switch-in to Water- and Electric-type moves is also great for Yveltal and Ho-Oh, which often lose loses momentum to Kyogre switching into Defog or a weakened Sacred Fire. In return, Ho-Oh is a switch-in for Grass types like Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Other partners like Ferrothorn and Skarmory can set up Spikes to defensively pressure what Gastrodon is threatened by. (AP) , and Yveltal, which commonly loses momentum when using Defog like Ho-Oh.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Toxic is an option that provides some decent residual damage against most foes, but Gastrodon is hard pressed to find space for it. Confide is an option over Clear Smog for Calm Mind Kyogre and Geomancy Xerneas running Substitute, but is otherwise completely outclassed.

Checks and Counters
====

**Grass-types**: Even with Ice-type coverage, Gastrodon is not reliably reliable at removing Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Ferrothorn switching in is especially an issue, as it comfortably takes all of Gastrodon's attacks and gets a free chance to use Knock Off or Spikes. It can also take Gastrodon out with its Grass STAB moves, if running it any, and recover any small damage with Leech Seed.

**Special Walls**: The likes of Blissey, Ho-Oh, and Eternatus can repeatedly sponge any of Gastrodon's attacks and threaten to hit it with Toxic. Blissey and Eternatus can use Gastrodon to set up Stealth Rock or Toxic Spikes, respectively, as well.

**Xerneas**: Defensive Xerneas can use Gastrodon as an opportunity to provide cleric support, while Geomancy Xerneas can threaten it with a boosted Moonblast.

**Physical Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Groudon, (AC) Choice Band Marshadow, and Choice Band Urshifu-S and Choice Band Marshadow and Urshifu-S all force Gastrodon out with their powerful attacks. None of them want to switch into a Scald as the burn chance would cripple them, however.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[Aberforth, 249382], [TrueNora, 432086]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]

 

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[Overview]
Gastrodon is a premier counter to one of the strongest Ubers Pokemon in Kyogre because it's immune to Kyogre's STAB attacks and Thunder. Unlike the common Kyogre switch-in of Eternatus, Gastrodon is less prone to losing likely to lose against Kyogre through status and can always beat the Choice Specs set. It can also pivots switch into Dracovish spamming Fishious Rend, safely switches into defensive Necrozma-DM not running Knock Off, and counters special Palkia and Dialga that are not running Choice Specs. With that being said, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options, meaning Kyogre can use Rest freely, while special walls often switch in and shut it down to heal, inflict status, or set up entry hazards in front of it. However, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options like Eternatus and Ferrothorn and lets it freely use Rest; unlike Gastrodon, other special walls are able to switch in and shut down Kyogre by using it as an opportunity to heal, inflict status, or set entry hazards. Gastrodon is also susceptible to all entry hazards, so if it is not running Heavy-Duty Boots especially Toxic Spikes can be quite detrimental if not running Heavy-Duty Boots. When not facing Kyogre or Dracovish, Gastrodon is extremely underwhelming and constraints the rest of the team defensively offers little defensive value.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Clear Smog
move 3: Earthquake / Ice Beam / Icy Wind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Sassy / Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Scald's burn chance can punish common switch-ins like Eternatus and Yveltal looking to heal or use Defog on Gastrodon, deter wallbreakers like Zekrom and Groudon from freely switching in, and better handle Kyogre in case Ice Beam freezes Gastrodon. Clear Smog is necessary to prevent Calm Mind Kyogre from boosting significantly and powering through Gastrodon. Earthquake hits Eternatus and Toxapex trying to heal or set up Toxic Spikes in front of it, and it also catches Zekrom and Dialga for respectable damage. Alternatively, Ice Beam prevents Zygarde-C from using Substitute and trying to set up on Gastrodon with Coil or Dragon Dance, while Icy Wind conveniently lowers the Speed of switch-ins to allow Gastrodon's partners to switch in more safely. A Sassy nature is preferred when running Earthquake, while Calm is preferred when Ice Beam or Icy Wind is chosen. Leftovers provides some much appreciated passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots can help mitigate Gastrodon's weakness to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.

Gastrodon covering Kyogre and Dracovish frees up Eternatus to run offensive sets. Gastrodon being a Kyogre counter and general switch-in to Water- and Electric-type moves is great for Ho-Oh, which often loses momentum to Kyogre switching into Defog or a weakened Sacred Fire. In return, Ho-Oh is a switch-in for Grass types like Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Other partners like Ferrothorn and Skarmory can set Spikes to defensively pressure what Gastrodon is threatened by, and Yveltal, which commonly loses momentum when using Defog like Ho-Oh. Other partners like Ferrothorn and Skarmory can set Spikes to pressure threats to Gastrodon and force Yveltal to use Defog, which drains momentum from the opponent.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Toxic is an option that provides some decent residual damage against most foes, but Gastrodon is hard pressed to find space for it. Confide is an option over Clear Smog for Calm Mind Kyogre and Geomancy Xerneas running Substitute, but it is otherwise completely outclassed.

Checks and Counters
====

**Grass-types**: Even with Ice-type coverage, Gastrodon is not reliably reliable at removing Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Ferrothorn switching in is especially an issue, as it comfortably takes all of Gastrodon's attacks and gets a free chance to use Knock Off or set Spikes. It can also take Gastrodon out with its Grass-type STAB,(RC) if running it,(RC) move and recover any small damage with Leech Seed.

**Special Walls**: The likes of Blissey, Ho-Oh, and Eternatus repeatedly sponge any of Gastrodon's attacks and threaten to hit it with Toxic. Blissey and Eternatus can also use Gastrodon to set up Stealth Rock or and Toxic Spikes, respectively, as well.

**Xerneas**: Defensive Xerneas can use Gastrodon as an opportunity to provide cleric support, while Geomancy Xerneas can threaten it with a boosted Moonblast.

**Physical Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Groudon,(AC) and Choice Band Marshadow,(AC) and Choice Band Urshifu-S all force Gastrodon out with their powerful attacks. None of them want to switch into a Scald as the burn chance would cripple them, however.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[Aberforth, 249382], [TrueNora, 432086]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]

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Slugga

[Overview]
Gastrodon is a premier counter to one of the strongest Ubers Pokemon in Kyogre because it's immune to Kyogre's STAB attacks and Thunder. Unlike the common Kyogre switch-in of Eternatus, Gastrodon is less prone to losing likely to lose against Kyogre through status and can always beat the Choice Specs set. It can also pivots switch into Dracovish spamming Fishious Rend, safely switches into defensive Necrozma-DM not running Knock Off, and counters special Palkia and Dialga that are not running Choice Specs. With that being said, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options, meaning Kyogre can use Rest freely, while special walls often switch in and shut it down to heal, inflict status, or set up entry hazards in front of it. However, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options like Eternatus and Ferrothorn and lets it freely use Rest; unlike Gastrodon, other special walls are able to switch in and shut down Kyogre by using it as an opportunity to heal, inflict status, or set entry hazards. Gastrodon is also susceptible to all entry hazards, so if it is not running Heavy-Duty Boots especially Toxic Spikes can be quite detrimental if not running Heavy-Duty Boots. When not facing Kyogre or Dracovish, Gastrodon is extremely underwhelming and constraints the rest of the team defensively offers little defensive value.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Clear Smog
move 3: Earthquake / Ice Beam / Icy Wind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Sassy / Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Scald's burn chance can punish common switch-ins like Eternatus and Yveltal looking to heal or use Defog on Gastrodon, deter wallbreakers like Zekrom and Groudon from freely switching in, and better handle Kyogre in case Ice Beam freezes Gastrodon. Clear Smog is necessary to prevent Calm Mind Kyogre from boosting significantly and powering through Gastrodon. Earthquake hits Eternatus and Toxapex trying to heal or set up Toxic Spikes in front of it, and it also catches Zekrom and Dialga for respectable damage. Alternatively, Ice Beam prevents Zygarde-C from using Substitute and trying to set up on Gastrodon with Coil or Dragon Dance, while Icy Wind conveniently lowers the Speed of switch-ins to allow Gastrodon's partners to switch in more safely. A Sassy nature is preferred when running Earthquake, while Calm is preferred when Ice Beam or Icy Wind is chosen. Leftovers provides some much appreciated passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots can help mitigate Gastrodon's weakness to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.

Gastrodon covering Kyogre and Dracovish frees up Eternatus to run offensive sets. Gastrodon being a Kyogre counter and general switch-in to Water- and Electric-type moves is great for Ho-Oh, which often loses momentum to Kyogre switching into Defog or a weakened Sacred Fire. In return, Ho-Oh is a switch-in for Grass types like Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Other partners like Ferrothorn and Skarmory can set Spikes to defensively pressure what Gastrodon is threatened by, and Yveltal, which commonly loses momentum when using Defog like Ho-Oh. Other partners like Ferrothorn and Skarmory can set Spikes to pressure threats to Gastrodon and force Yveltal to use Defog, which drains momentum from the opponent.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Toxic is an option that provides some decent residual damage against most foes, but Gastrodon is hard pressed to find space for it. Confide is an option over Clear Smog for Calm Mind Kyogre and Geomancy Xerneas running Substitute, but it is otherwise completely outclassed.

Checks and Counters
====

**Grass-types**: Even with Ice-type coverage, Gastrodon is not reliably reliable at removing Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Ferrothorn switching in is especially an issue, as it comfortably takes all of Gastrodon's attacks and gets a free chance to use Knock Off or set Spikes. It can also take Gastrodon out with its Grass-type STAB,(RC) if running it,(RC) move and recover any small damage with Leech Seed.

**Special Walls**: The likes of Blissey, Ho-Oh, and Eternatus repeatedly sponge any of Gastrodon's attacks and threaten to hit it with Toxic. Blissey and Eternatus can also use Gastrodon to set up Stealth Rock or and Toxic Spikes, respectively, as well.

**Xerneas**: Defensive Xerneas can use Gastrodon as an opportunity to provide cleric support, while Geomancy Xerneas can threaten it with a boosted Moonblast.

**Physical Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Groudon,(AC) and Choice Band Marshadow,(AC) and Choice Band Urshifu-S all force Gastrodon out with their powerful attacks. None of them want to switch into a Scald as the burn chance would cripple them, however.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[Aberforth, 249382], [TrueNora, 432086]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]

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[Overview]
Gastrodon is a premier counter to one of the strongest Ubers Pokemon in Kyogre because it's immune to Kyogre's STAB attacks and Thunder. Unlike Eternatus, Gastrodon is less likely to lose against Kyogre through getting statused and can always beat the Choice Specs set. It Gastrodon can also switch into Dracovish spamming Fishious Rend, safely switch into defensive Necrozma-DM not running Knock Off, and counter special Palkia and Dialga that are not running Choice Specs. However, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options like Eternatus and Ferrothorn and lets it Kyogre freely use Rest; unlike Gastrodon, other special walls are able to switch in and shut down Kyogre by using it as an opportunity to heal, inflict status, or set entry hazards. Gastrodon is also susceptible to all entry hazards, especially Toxic Spikes if not running Heavy-Duty Boots. When not facing Kyogre or Dracovish, Gastrodon is extremely underwhelming and offers little defensive value.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Clear Smog
move 3: Earthquake / Ice Beam / Icy Wind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Sassy / Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Scald's burn chance can punish common switch-ins like Eternatus and Yveltal looking to heal or use Defog on Gastrodon, deter wallbreakers like Zekrom and Groudon from freely switching in, and better handle Kyogre in case Ice Beam freezes Gastrodon. Clear Smog is necessary to prevent Calm Mind Kyogre from boosting significantly and powering through Gastrodon. Earthquake hits Eternatus and Toxapex trying to heal or set up Toxic Spikes, and it also catches Zekrom and Dialga for respectable damage. Alternatively, Ice Beam prevents Zygarde-C from using Substitute and trying to set up on Gastrodon with Coil or Dragon Dance, while Icy Wind conveniently lowers the Speed of switch-ins to allow Gastrodon's partners to switch in more safely. A Sassy nature is preferred when running Earthquake, while Calm is preferred when Ice Beam or Icy Wind is chosen. Leftovers provides some much appreciated passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots can help mitigate Gastrodon's weakness to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.

Gastrodon covering Kyogre and Dracovish frees up Eternatus to run offensive sets. Gastrodon being a Kyogre counter and general switch-in to Water- and Electric-type moves is great for Ho-Oh, which often loses momentum to Kyogre switching into Defog or a weakened Sacred Fire. In return, Ho-Oh is a switch-in for Grass types like Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Other partners like Ferrothorn and Skarmory can set Spikes to pressure threats to Gastrodon and force Yveltal to use Defog, which drains momentum from the opponent.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Toxic provides some decent residual damage against most foes, but Gastrodon is hard pressed to find space for it. Confide is an option over Clear Smog for Calm Mind Kyogre and Geomancy Xerneas running Substitute, but it is otherwise completely outclassed.

Checks and Counters
====

**Grass-types**: Even with Ice-type coverage, Gastrodon is not reliable at removing Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Ferrothorn is especially an issue, as it comfortably takes all of Gastrodon's attacks and gets a free chance to use Knock Off or set up Spikes. It Ferrothorn can also take Gastrodon out with its Grass-type STAB move and recover any small damage with Leech Seed.

**Special Walls**: Blissey, Ho-Oh, and Eternatus repeatedly sponge any of Gastrodon's attacks and threaten it with Toxic. Blissey and Eternatus can also use Gastrodon to set up Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes, respectively, as well.

**Xerneas**: Defensive Xerneas can use Gastrodon as an opportunity to provide cleric support, while Geomancy Xerneas can threaten it with a boosted Moonblast.

**Physical Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Groudon, Choice Band Marshadow, and Choice Band Urshifu-S all force Gastrodon out with their powerful attacks. None of them want to switch into Scald, however.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[Aberforth, 249382], [TrueNora, 432086]]
- Grammar checked by: [[DC, 449990], [, ]]

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[Overview]
Gastrodon is a premier counter to one of the strongest Ubers Pokemon in Kyogre because it's immune to Kyogre's STAB attacks and Thunder. Unlike Eternatus, Gastrodon is less likely to lose against to Kyogre through status and can always beat the Kyogre's Choice Specs set. It can also switch into Dracovish spamming Fishious Rend, safely switch into defensive Necrozma-DM not running Knock Off, and counter special Palkia and Dialga that are not running Choice Specs. However, Gastrodon is a more passive switch-in to Kyogre compared to other options like Eternatus and Ferrothorn and lets it freely use Rest; unlike Gastrodon, other special walls are able to switch in and shut down Kyogre by using it as an opportunity to heal, inflict status, or set entry hazards. Gastrodon is also susceptible to all entry hazards, especially Toxic Spikes, (add comma) if not running Heavy-Duty Boots. When not facing Kyogre or Dracovish, Gastrodon is extremely underwhelming and offers little defensive value.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Clear Smog
move 3: Earthquake / Ice Beam / Icy Wind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Sassy / Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Scald's burn chance can punish common switch-ins like Eternatus and Yveltal looking to heal or use Defog on Gastrodon, deter wallbreakers like Zekrom and Groudon from freely switching in, and better handle Kyogre in case Ice Beam freezes Gastrodon. Clear Smog is necessary to prevent Calm Mind Kyogre from boosting significantly and powering through Gastrodon. Earthquake hits Eternatus and Toxapex trying to heal or set up Toxic Spikes, and it also catches Zekrom and Dialga for respectable damage. Alternatively, Ice Beam prevents Zygarde-C from using Substitute and trying to set up setting up on Gastrodon with Coil or Dragon Dance, while Icy Wind conveniently lowers the Speed of switch-ins (would be helpful to mention which mons this effects like this: "...conveniently lowers the Speed of switch-ins, such as ADV UBERS EXEGGUTOR, to allow...") to allow Gastrodon's partners to switch in more safely. A Sassy nature is preferred when running Earthquake, while Calm is preferred when Ice Beam or Icy Wind is chosen. Leftovers provides some much appreciated passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots can help mitigate Gastrodon's weakness to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.

Gastrodon covering Kyogre and Dracovish frees up Eternatus to run offensive sets. Gastrodon being a Kyogre counter and general switch-in to Water- and Electric-type moves is great for Ho-Oh, which often loses momentum to Kyogre switching into Defog or a weakened Sacred Fire. In return, Ho-Oh is a switch-in for Grass types like Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Other partners like Ferrothorn and Skarmory can set Spikes to pressure threats to Gastrodon and force Yveltal to use Defog, which drains momentum from the opponent the opponent's momentum (was a little awkwardly phrased before).

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Toxic provides some decent residual damage against most foes, but Gastrodon is hard pressed to find space for it. Confide is an option over Clear Smog for Calm Mind Kyogre and Geomancy Xerneas running Substitute, but it is otherwise completely outclassed.

Checks and Counters
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**Grass-types**: Even with Ice-type coverage, Gastrodon is not reliable at removing can't reliably check Ferrothorn, Zarude, and Tangrowth. Ferrothorn is especially an issue, as it comfortably takes all of Gastrodon's attacks and gets a free chance to use Knock Off or set Spikes. It can also take Gastrodon out with its Grass-type STAB move (this is fine to keep if Ferro runs more than one Grass move, but the current Ubers set just has Bullet Seed, so say the move instead if it is just Bullet Seed and not (I assume) Power Whip) and recover any small amount of damage it takes with Leech Seed.

**Special Walls**: Blissey, Ho-Oh, and Eternatus can repeatedly sponge any of Gastrodon's attacks and threaten it with Toxic. Blissey and Eternatus can also use Gastrodon to set Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes, respectively, as well.

**Xerneas**: Defensive Xerneas can use Gastrodon as an opportunity to provide cleric support, while Geomancy Xerneas can threaten it with a boosted Moonblast.

**Physical Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Groudon, Choice Band Marshadow, and Choice Band Urshifu-S all force Gastrodon out with their powerful attacks. None of them want to switch into Scald, however.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[Aberforth, 249382], [TrueNora, 432086]]
- Grammar checked by: [[DC, 449990], [, ]]

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