Band Cinderace [QC 2/2] [GP 0/1]

[pqs]

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Pyro Ball / Flare Blitz
move 2: Gunk Shot
move 3: High Jump Kick
move 4: Fire Blast / Bounce
item: Choice Band
ability: Blaze
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Cinderace's already high Attack and good Speed tier make it a great Choice Band user. Pyro Ball is Cinderace's best STAB move, and covers Steel-, Grass-, and Bug-types like Aegislash, Celebi, Rillaboom, Corviknight, White Smoke Centiskorch, and Vikavolt. Flare Blitz can alternatively be used to beat non-Occa Berry Whimsicott without the chance of a miss, but if Cinderace decides to use this, since it is a contact move, the King's Shield Aegislash matchup is less reliable. Gunk Shot allows Cinderace to cover common Fairy-types like Primarina, Sylveon, and Aromatisse. High Jump Kick covers Rock-, Normal-, and Dark-types like Tyranitar, Choice Band Diggersby, and Choice Specs Hydreigon. Fire Blast is used to beat stall Avalugg, since Cinderace would otherwise get walled by Iron Defense. Alternatively, Bounce, though very niche, can give Cinderace a better chance against Flash Fire Centiskorch. Maximum Attack on this set gives Cinderace the best chance against Primarina, and the rest is invested into Speed to outspeed as much as possible, including Choice Band Darmanitan and Choice Specs Celebi.

Due to Cinderace not having coverage for Water-types outside of Primarina, it needs teammates that can beat threats like Dracovish, Rotom-Wash, and Blastoise for it. So, Grass-types like Rillaboom, Rotom-Mow, Celebi, and Venusaur make great partners for Cinderace, and can even start an FWG core for it. In return for these teammates, Cinderace covers Bug-types like Centiskorch and Vikavolt, and also covers Choice Band Galarian Darmanitan. Cinderace also has a crippling weakness to Rock- and Ground-types that it can't KO with its coverage moves, such as Gastrodon, Rhyperior, Crustle, and Gigalith, and Pokemon that outspeed and KO it like Choice Scarf Diggersby and Excadrill, so Water-types like Rotom-Wash, Milotic, Primarina, and Chilan Berry Blastoise make good teammates for Cinderace. In return, Cinderace can take on Grass-types like Rillaboom, Whimsicott, Celebi, Ferrothorn, and Rotom-Mow for these teammates.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[pqs, 425798]]
- Quality checked by: [[Alakazam, 276708], [dogknees, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

 

[Ginger Princess]

pqs pls get this out of WIP in the next 24 hours

 

[pqs]

24 hours moment (ready for qc)

 

[dogknees]

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name: Choice Band
move 1: Pyro Ball / Flare Blitz
move 2: Gunk Shot
move 3: High Jump Kick
move 4: Bounce
item: Choice Band
ability: Blaze
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Cinderace's already high Attack and good Speed tier make it a great Choice Band user. Pyro Ball is Cinderace's best STAB move, and can cover Bug-, Grass-, and Steel-types like White Smoke Centiskorch, Vikavolt, Celebi, Rillaboom, Ferrothorn, and Aegislash. (<-- Corviknight is an important mention.) Flare Blitz can alternatively be used to beat non-Occa Berry Whimsicott without the chance of a miss, but if Cinderace decides to use this, since it is a contact move, the King's Shield Aegislash matchup is less reliable. Gunk Shot allows Cinderace to cover common Fairy-types like Primarina, Sylveon, and Gardevoir. High Jump Kick can (<-- It covers these, not "can" cover.) cover Rock-, Normal-, and Dark-types like Tyranitar, Choice Band Diggersby, Type: Null, and Choice Specs Hydreigon. Bounce, though very niche, can give Cinderace a better chance against Flash Fire Centiskorch. (<-- Fire blast is also an option to beat Iron Defense Avalugg, since it 2hkos even through sitrus berry. 0- SpA Cinderace Fire Blast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 276-326 (70.5 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO. You'd need to crit with pyro ball vs iron defense since sitrus gives just enough hp to avoid the KO at +2, and can just spam recover until you eventually miss or run out of PP. Also very niche, but probably more relevant than centiskorch in my eyes.) Maximum Attack on this set gives Cinderace the best chance against Primarina, and the rest is invested into Speed to speed tie opposing Cinderace. (<-- You invest in speed to have more favourable matchups vs the meta and outspeed mons like banded darm and specs hydreigon, not specifically to tie with opposing cinderace.)

Due to Cinderace not having great coverage for Water-types outside of Primarina, it needs teammates that can beat threats like Dracovish, Rotom-Wash, and Blastoise for it. So, Grass-types like Rillaboom, Rotom-Mow, Celebi, and Venusaur make great partners for Cinderace, and can even start an FWG core for it. In return for these teammates, Cinderace can cover Bug-types like Centiskorch and Vikavolt, and it can also cover Choice Band Galarian Darmanitan. Cinderace also has a crippling weakness to Rock- and Ground-types that it can't KO with its coverage moves, such as Choice Scarf Diggersby and Excadrill, Gastrodon, Rhyperior, Crustle, and Gigalith, so Water-types like Primarina, Rotom-Wash, Chilan Berry Blastoise, and Milotic make good teammates for Cinderace. (<-- Chilan blastoise is a bit of a wild mention. I think that chilan prim makes more sense and your own scarf vish works better here, giving an offensive teammate option rather than a full list of defensive choices. Bulky keldeo is also fantastic to mention here with taunt / calm mind, beats all of the mentioned threats as well as iron defense mandibuzz which also beats cinderace. In return, Cinderace can take on Grass-types like Rillaboom, Whimsicott, Celebi, Ferrothorn, and Rotom-Mow for these teammates.

 

[Ginger Princess]

AMQC qc

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Pyro Ball / Flare Blitz
move 2: Gunk Shot
move 3: High Jump Kick
move 4: Bounce
item: Choice Band
ability: Blaze
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cinderace's already high Attack and good Speed tier make it a great Choice Band user. Pyro Ball is Cinderace's best STAB move, and can cover Bug-, Grass-, and Steel-types like White Smoke Centiskorch, Vikavolt, Celebi, Rillaboom, Ferrothorn, and Aegislash. (<-- Corviknight is an important mention.) I would have just also told him to remove some of these super insignificant ones, have 3 max Flare Blitz can alternatively be used to beat non-Occa Berry Whimsicott without the chance of a miss, but if Cinderace decides to use this, since it is a contact move, the King's Shield Aegislash matchup is less reliable. Gunk Shot allows Cinderace to cover common Fairy-types like Primarina, Sylveon, and Gardevoir. High Jump Kick can (<-- It covers these, not "can" cover.) cover Rock-, Normal-, and Dark-types like Tyranitar, Choice Band Diggersby, Type: Null, and Choice Specs Hydreigon. Bounce, though very niche, can give Cinderace a better chance against Flash Fire Centiskorch. (<-- Fire blast is also an option to beat Iron Defense Avalugg, since it 2hkos even through sitrus berry. 0- SpA Cinderace Fire Blast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 276-326 (70.5 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO. You'd need to crit with pyro ball vs iron defense since sitrus gives just enough hp to avoid the KO at +2, and can just spam recover until you eventually miss or run out of PP. Also very niche, but probably more relevant than centiskorch in my eyes.) Maximum Attack on this set gives Cinderace the best chance against Primarina, and the rest is invested into Speed to speed tie opposing Cinderace. (<-- You invest in speed to have more favourable matchups vs the meta and outspeed mons like banded darm and specs hydreigon, not specifically to tie with opposing cinderace.)

Due to Cinderace not having great coverage for Water-types outside of Primarina, it needs teammates that can beat threats like Dracovish, Rotom-Wash, and Blastoise for it. So, Grass-types like Rillaboom, Rotom-Mow, Celebi, and Venusaur make great partners for Cinderace, and can even start an FWG core for it. In return for these teammates, Cinderace can cover Bug-types like Centiskorch and Vikavolt, and it can also cover Choice Band Galarian Darmanitan. Cinderace also has a crippling weakness to Rock- and Ground-types that it can't KO with its coverage moves, such as Choice Scarf Diggersby and Excadrill, Gastrodon, Rhyperior, Crustle, and Gigalith, so Water-types like Primarina, Rotom-Wash, Chilan Berry Blastoise, and Milotic make good teammates for Cinderace. (<-- Chilan blastoise is a bit of a wild mention. I think that chilan prim makes more sense and your own scarf vish works better here, giving an offensive teammate option rather than a full list of defensive choices. Bulky keldeo is also fantastic to mention here with taunt / calm mind, beats all of the mentioned threats as well as iron defense mandibuzz which also beats cinderace. In return, Cinderace can take on Grass-types like Rillaboom, Whimsicott, Celebi, Ferrothorn, and Rotom-Mow for these teammates.

a bit bare bones but overall good. pqs implement this

QC 1

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Pyro Ball / Flare Blitz
move 2: Gunk Shot
move 3: High Jump Kick
move 4: Fire Blast / Bounce its a good option, relatively, for ID avalugg.
item: Choice Band
ability: Blaze
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Cinderace's already high Attack and good Speed tier make it a great Choice Band user. Pyro Ball is Cinderace's best STAB move, and can cover Bug-, Grass-, and Steel-types like White Smoke Centiskorch, Vikavolt, Celebi, Rillaboom, and Corviknight Ferrothorn, and Aegislash. cut down on the examples, 3 is fine Flare Blitz can alternatively be used to beat non-Occa Berry Whimsicott without the chance of a miss, but if Cinderace decides to use this, since it is a contact move, the King's Shield Aegislash matchup is less reliable. Gunk Shot allows Cinderace to cover common Fairy-types like Primarina, Sylveon, and Gardevoir. High Jump Kick can covers Rock-, Normal-, and Dark-types like Tyranitar, Choice Band Diggersby, Type: Null, 252+ Atk Choice Band Cinderace High Jump Kick vs. 248 HP / 188+ Def Eviolite Type: Null: 226-268 (57.5 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Cinderace High Jump Kick vs. +2 248 HP / 188+ Def Eviolite Type: Null: 114-136 (29 - 34.6%) -- 4.7% chance to 3HKO if they live and rest you're screwed and Choice Specs Hydreigon. Bounce, though very niche, can give Cinderace a better chance against Flash Fire Centiskorch. Maximum Attack on this set gives Cinderace the best chance against Primarina, and the rest is invested into Speed to speed tie opposing Cinderace. outspeed as much as possible, including Choice Band Darmanitan and Choice Specs Celebi.

Due to Cinderace not having great coverage for Water-types outside of Primarina, it needs teammates that can beat threats like Dracovish, Rotom-Wash, and Blastoise for it. So, Grass-types like Rillaboom, Rotom-Mow, Celebi, and Venusaur make great partners for Cinderace, and can even start an FWG core for it. In return for these teammates, Cinderace can cover Bug-types like Centiskorch and Vikavolt, and it can also cover Choice Band Galarian Darmanitan. Cinderace also has a crippling weakness to Rock- and Ground-types that it can't KO with its coverage moves, such as Choice Scarf Diggersby and Excadrill, Gastrodon, Rhyperior, Crustle, and Gigalith, so Water-types like Primarina, Rotom-Wash, Chilan Berry Blastoise, and Milotic reorganize to have Chilan Berry Primarina and Blastoise at the end make good teammates for Cinderace. In return, Cinderace can take on Grass-types like Rillaboom, Whimsicott, Celebi, Ferrothorn, and Rotom-Mow for these teammates.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[pqs, 425798]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

qc 1/2

 

[dogknees]

QC #2

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Pyro Ball / Flare Blitz
move 2: Gunk Shot
move 3: High Jump Kick
move 4: Fire Blast / Bounce
item: Choice Band
ability: Blaze
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Cinderace's already high Attack and good Speed tier make it a great Choice Band user. Pyro Ball is Cinderace's best STAB move, and can cover covers Bug-, Grass-, and Steel-types like White Smoke Centiskorch, Vikavolt, Celebi, Rillaboom, Ferrothorn, and Aegislash. (<-- Put the bug mention at the end of this; much less relevant than the other targets you mention. Also avoid saying "can cover" because saying can suggests that it also can't. Easier to just say "covers".) Flare Blitz can alternatively be used to beat non-Occa Berry Whimsicott without the chance of a miss, but if Cinderace decides to use this, since it is a contact move, the King's Shield Aegislash matchup is less reliable. Gunk Shot allows Cinderace to cover common Fairy-types like Primarina, Sylveon, and Gardevoir. High Jump Kick can cover covers (same thing as before) Rock-, Normal-, and Dark-types like Tyranitar, Choice Band Diggersby, Type: Null, (TDA outlined this but you didn't change it. The rolls are far less favorable for cinderace user so this should be removed) and Choice Specs Hydreigon. Fire Blast is used to beat stall Avalugg, since Cinderace would otherwise get walled by Iron Defense. Alternatively, Bounce, though very niche, can give Cinderace a better chance against Flash Fire Centiskorch. Maximum Attack on this set gives Cinderace the best chance against Primarina, and the rest is invested into Speed to speed tie opposing Cinderace. (Implement the comment from TDA's check.)

Due to Cinderace not having great coverage for Water-types outside of Primarina, (<-- Literally doesn't have coverage for any other water) it needs teammates that can beat threats like Dracovish, Rotom-Wash, and Blastoise for it. So, Grass-types like Rillaboom, Rotom-Mow, Celebi, and Venusaur make great partners for Cinderace, and can even start an FWG core for it. In return for these teammates, Cinderace can cover covers Bug-types like Centiskorch and Vikavolt, and it can also covers Choice Band Galarian Darmanitan. Cinderace also has a crippling weakness to Rock- and Ground-types that it can't KO with its coverage moves, such as Choice Scarf Diggersby and Excadrill, Gastrodon, Rhyperior, Crustle, and Gigalith, so Water-types like Primarina, Rotom-Wash, Milotic and Chilan Berry Blastoise and Milotic make good teammates for Cinderace. (You actually have plenty of coverage for scarf diggersby and exca but the problem is you don't outspeed them, so they don't fit with these other mons. Make another mention for faster threats.) In return, Cinderace can take on Grass-types like Rillaboom, Whimsicott, Celebi, Ferrothorn, and Rotom-Mow for these teammates.

QC 2/2 good stuff

 

[Ginger Princess]

archiving this due to libero release