Lol and you think it's real; I think I just found the quote I was looking. I really want to know your twisted view of the south though.
Someone pondered if it looked just as generous per capita. When you're very much larger than the rest of the rich countries, it is at the very least something you should look at.
Yeah, it is a coincidence. Most poor people tend to be liberal, and most school teachers tend to be poor.
You're right, we are the most awesome country in the world. Except in education, health care, homelessness, corruption, crime, literacy, life expectancy, invading other countries....
Most people don't receive it because other countries have standards for journalism. While Fox News is winning court cases in America giving them the right to lie on the air and call it news, they recently lost an appeal in Canada trying to give them the same right there.
Oh my...you really do think they hate us for our freedoms...I was just being sarcastic up there....
You realize that nearly everyone in this country is descended from immigrants, right? People were saying the exact same thing you just said when they were passing the Alien and Sedition Acts in the 1700s, except they were talking mostly about the French. Then they applied the same reasoning to the Irish, Italian, Polish, and to Mexicans these days. America wouldn't be the same without the immigrants you scorn.
And you don't? Exactly the kind of person I'm glad I'm not surrounded by.
I just liked the way you said it, you sort of put it on the same grounds as Santa Claus. "If we all believe, than it has to be real! :D"
Most conservative states are in the south. The South has much higher percentage of black and hispanic populations than the north. When adjusted for ethnicity the south does comparably or better with its northern counterparts.
Education: Liberal teachers, again. Though more comprehensively out upper level universities are the best in the world and voucher programs have drastically increased the options for good education.
No, the terrorists hate everyone who does not submit to their radical vision of Islam, and have killed more Muslims than members of any other religion. I like how you had nothing of substance once again, it makes my response easier.
You do know there's a difference between news journalism and opinion journalism, right? Opinion journalists can "lie" (read: disagree with jrrrrrr and his compatriots worldview) on the air all they like. Fox News' hard news coverage is literally award winning.
I take it then you like the advancing creep of Shariah Law in Europe then? And you also believe organizations in Middle Eastern nations who wish to establish an Islamic caliphate all over the world are not serious? Honestly jrrrrrrr I can't help you if you have something snarky to say about mere demographics and the multicultural domestic policy of foreign governments. I'd like to have an adult conversation with you, but based on our previous encounters I know you assume bigotry on the part of anyone who doesn't share your worldview.
So basically they just don't put any effort into teaching blacks.
Wait a second....we have liberal teachers making ignorant students, but our universities are the best in the world? Huh?
Adjusted for ethnicity? "We Texan teachers would do better, but we just have so many black students".
Try being poor and breaking your legs. Then tell me whose health care system is the best.
The number of homeless people isn't the huge part of the problem, it's the utter lack of resources for them. Cutting back welfare and unemployment benefits while deregulating mortgage company practices creates homeless people.
You're completely wrong here. The states with the highest crime rates overwhelmingly vote conservative. Of the top 15 states with the highest crime rates, only 3 voted Democrat in 2004, and only 6 voted Obama.
Tied for 21nd in the world. Behind Tonga and Turkmenistan. Impressive. And wait a sec, I thought liberal teachers were doing a terrible job, now you stick up for our educational system?
That completely justifies the war in Afghanistan. And wait - I thought we went there to get bin Laden?
That completely justifies the war in Iraq. And wait - I thought we went there to stop Saddam from launching his WMDs at us?
Huh?
I'm sorry, I may have misunderstood your post because you led off with "America is the most awesome country in the world".
No, I don't like the advancing creep of Sharia Law, luckily most of Europe is flat rejecting it. I also don't like the advancing creep of fundamentalist Christian law in this country. Not saying that they are necessarily equal, but this "our religion is the one true religion" nonsense is destroying more than just Arab nations.
No, I assume bigotry from you because you think gay marriage is a "societal cancer". Big difference.
That statement is just as ignorant and bigoted as anything jrrrrrrr has spouted. Good teachers work hard to teach every student. A lot of the problems in black and hispanic families come from a negatively reinforced culture that promotes gangs, lionizes single motherhood, absentee fathers, and various other social ills that have devastated these families. 70 years ago these pathologies were unheard of in black families, but progressive social politics has attempted to subvert the nuclear family and replace the father with the welfare office as the primary breadwinner for the family.
It's not even that, most of American history is being excised. Instead of teaching the basics they want to turn grade school into a social experimentation laboratory. Horace Mann, the founder of modern public education said that his students were basically "captives to his cause." I'd like kids to be proficient in math, english, and science before we start developing multigrade, multiplatform educational materials for sex-ed.
Give me one ignorant and bigoted thing I've posted, ever.
You really shouldn't be throwing those words around here. Now I'm under the assumption that when you said "When adjusted for ethnicity the south does comparably or better with its northern counterparts", you were just using poor wording. Cause it sure SOUNDS alot like you are saying ethnic people have lower graduation rates, and the south is only so low because of a high number of ethnic people (although I actually read that link and the hispanics were above their natural average in most cases). THAT sounds ignorant and bigoted to me. But maybe you just had a lapse in judgement. Going off on me like this doesn't help.
"His cause" died a LONG time ago. Schools don't focus enough on the individual needs of each student, because each worker needs to be uniform. Bullies aren't dealt with, because in a work place environment you are going to be bullied by your coworkers, patrons, and superiors. Children learn in school that trying to stop bullies through outside help is fruitless, and that sucking it up is the only thing they can do. Students are given busy work that doesn't teach them anything but how to do busy work, because that is what steel and railroad tycoons in the late 1800s wanted students to be content with for the rest of there adult life.
Professors in higher education have more relevant degrees in their field than "teaching" and usually possess actual life experience. Public school teachers generally have neither of those characteristics, thus why you can have excellent secondary education but poor primary schools. A nice gotcha attempt, though.
So you know of a nation where they magically cure broken legs? It isn't Britain. Britain's NHS is like the roach motel. Patients check in but they don't check out. They die in their own urine and fecal matter. If that happened in a US hospital they would be shut down, but it's the government in Britain so you get what you paid for: free, or should I say, you got jacked 60% of your income to die in a puddle of your own piss. The British papers run stories like this routinely.
See, there it is. Money can solve the problem. It's always about more money, isn't it jrrrrrrr? That's the thrust of it, the government needs more money to support people who cannot arrange their lives well enough to have some form of property.
What the stats basically say is that if your state has a higher percentage of ethnic minorities, allow dubious activity like prostitution, or is a border state, you too could have a lot of violent crime. State statistics are all well and good, but it's like saying The Berkshires are dangerous because there were a lot of murders in Roxbury and Southie. Crime is a localized event that is captured on a state level for statistical purposes in this instance, but the crime rates in localities are much more important.
America does not need more stoners, we have enough already. Thought experiment: If we applied all the laws to marijuana that we do to cigarettes, would you support that in exchange for marijuana's complete legalization?
You just hate brown countries :(
Awesome.
Whether a war is just or not is dependent on your view of just war theory. If you think no invasion is ever justified there's not much use arguing about it. I was simply stating America's modus operandi for every country we've ever invaded for any reason. I said nothing about whether it was justified or not.
And it is. America is more than just a nation, it is an idea, just as The British Empire was an idea at its time.
They are rejecting it now. They won't in 40 years when Mohammed will outrank Pierre as the most common French first name. Demographically they are screwed unless Pierre and Francine start making Paris the city of abundant romance again, literally.
You got the quote right this time, thus we've made amazing progress.
The last time we had a spat part of your primary assertions was that I categorically hated black people. You routinely accuse me of such pathetic nonsense because you refuse to accept anyone who thinks recognizing gay marriage is a destructive net negative to social order. Question: Do you ackowledge that there are gay people who don't give two shits about gay marriage either. That's neutrality. Some even oppose it, though perhaps not to the extent I do. Moreover I've made my comprehensive views on the matter known multiple times.
Right, I apologize for that. I'm so used to it being reflexively used against me that I lost sense of myself.
I am genuinely curious to know if this is your personal experience in school or if you got this from an article or somewhere else. As far as Horace Mann, his entire point is that the individual student is worthless unless and until it advocates for his cause. He supported the kind of uniformity you are talking about, in this case being the supposed cause of the railroad tycoons. Whatever it is, the point is to mold students into a groupthinking collective fit only for labor, or advocacy, or some other task that otherwise attracts poor numbers on its own merits.
Do they still even do school uniforms? Based on what I here from the kids I teach 8th Grade CCD to, "discipline" varies according to the teacher and is not at all standardized. Nevermind the stories I hear about various odd behaviors and passive-agressive behavior. From their teachers, mind.
You get to the right end conclusion of Mann's philosophy (though good luck finding conservative professors) even if the middle got muddled up a bit. There is too much focus on college as a second high school in America, to the point where Bachelor's Degrees are so common as to basically be worth what a High School Diploma was in the agricultural days.
Professors in higher education are also predominantly liberal, which in your philosophy should mean they're making ignorant students. But enough of this lib vs con debate, this is about USA v world.
What are you talking about? Britain has a higher life expectancy than the US, they have more hospital beds per capita, fewer deaths related to malpractice, and all of that while spending significantly less than the US does on health care. Where are you getting your statistics from?
It's not just about money. Actually, throwing money at the homeless is a poor solution in both theory and practice. The government needs more rules making it difficult to become homeless, and it needs more resources available to help the homeless get off their feet such as shelters and medical care. Once it starts, there is pretty much nothing stopping you from becoming bankrupt here because of the relative lack of a safety net. Other countries have protections that many Americans view as entitlement programs.
Studies in countries where drugs are legalized or decriminalized have universally shown that usage rates drop.
It still doesn't make the quote any more sensical.
And do you have any posts of mine saying that? I remember a debate about Martin Luther King Jr. where my primary assertion was that he wouldn't have voted Republican in 2011.
You're right, I do refuse to accept anyone that thinks gay marriage is destructive. And you have yet to prove that it is destructive or negative to social order in any way. You can add that to your nonexistent list of bigoted j7r posts.
Neutrality is far from what your position is. I personally don't "care" about gay marriage since I don't plan on ever getting married, but having equal opportunities as my straight brother to marry the person I love would be nice.
Lol, if a couple is poor and they have a child, that child will probably be poor that rest of his/her life, and its not their fault. I suppose if you were born poor you would feel differently.
Ok, I erred in saying that his cause died. I was trying to put a name to what I was talking about, but I didn't think it was Mann because he died in the mid 1800s.
Ouch.. Had no idea about this one. Though tbh, it doesnt shock me.Vineon said:
qualify this statement. right now it doesn't mean anything, and if you're implying what i think you're implying, you're supremely ignorant
Too bad ungodly amounts of it go just to Israel (20% averaged out over decades? Not trying to cite a number out of my ass, it is what I remember as "about right").
A thread was going pretty well and then Deck Knight invaded it with petty invective, pointless allegations, and generally deluded (trolling) nonsense. I do not have to use shitty sound byte rhetoricals to point out that this is not a fucking coincidence.
