The Shed Tail or Terapagos metas were the two best ones this gen imo.question for everyone
obviously this meta isn't over, but i'm curious: what's your favorite "phase" of the meta thus far? aka, beginning of the generation, home without dlc, dlc 1, and dlc 2/current meta
i've been wondering this for a while, given how many i see upset and/or complaining about the current state of ou, what the "best" part of gen 9 was by general consensus.
Yeah SD ogerpon w/c dunks on skarm lmaoNot really, it's at risk of getting crit by Cudgel, and gets preyed on by encore sd sets. I've been using banded rillaboom to check it, in my most recent team, but it needs chip to actually remove it. It's lowkey a big threat, and checking it kind of depends on just getting a lucky matchup or making sure it gets chipped for rilla to remove it without having to depend on tera for the extra power.
People so in denial with powercreep we gonna start banning shit for the sake of banning and lowering the powercreep?
If we continue on this path I fully expect a full wave of bans and unhappiness.
Cheers
rest-with-no-drawback garg would make me switch positions on it so fast it wouldn't even be funny. what a horrifying conceptThat would mean u will have to face rest garganacl
Tera is "untouchable" because, as the last survey results showed, a majority of people don't even want to touch Tera.Right now Tera is “untouchable” because of all this biased reasoning like “it’s fun” or “skill expression” or whatever else
IT might be, but is Tera BLAST? There appears to be some people who disagree with Tera Blast being in OU, with some mention in the discussion.Tera is "untouchable" because, as the last survey results showed, a majority of people don't even want to touch Tera.
Skarm loses to woger completely. In fact wogers ability to break through the metal birds is one of the reasons why its so good at taking down balance.Try to fit skarmory, that’s a decent check imo.
the difference is that archaludon was an up-and-coming problem that a lot more people started realizing was broken after the survey. public opinion on new mons only a little while after a dlc release can rapidly change, leading to results where something receives limited survey support but is then suspected and banned by popular demand. it happened with bloodmoon too—it received low survey scores, but was suspected very shortly after the survey as people realized "oh wait, this is one of the most bullshit things they designed all gen" and banned it by an overwhelming margin. tera, on the other hand, has been around since the beginning of the gen, so public opinion on it won't shift as quickly or really at all. just about everyone's already formulated a concrete opinion on it by this point that's not likely to change for the rest of the gen, so it doesn't really make sense to revisit the topicThen again, Archaludon only got a 2.6 at the highest, less than other mons, and yet IT got the ban in the end.View attachment 606560
Could you walk me through how you got "the majority of people don't even want to touch Tera" from a 52.2% vote in favor of touching Tera?Tera is "untouchable" because, as the last survey results showed, a majority of people don't even want to touch Tera. View attachment 606559Then again, Archaludon only got a 2.6 at the highest, less than other mons, and yet IT got the ban in the end.View attachment 606560
The idea that opinions on the central mechanic of a generation couldn't possibly change after a year of that generation being nigh-unbalancable is laughable. You are once again incorrectly believing that everyone thinks the same thing as you.the difference is that archaludon was an up-and-coming problem that a lot more people started realizing was broken after the survey. public opinion on new mons only a little while after a dlc release can rapidly change, leading to results where something receives limited survey support but is then suspected and banned by popular demand. it happened with bloodmoon too—it received low survey scores, but was suspected very shortly after the survey as people realized "oh wait, this is one of the most bullshit things they designed all gen" and banned it by an overwhelming margin. tera, on the other hand, has been around since the beginning of the gen, so public opinion on it won't shift as quickly or really at all. just about everyone's already formulated a concrete opinion on it by this point that's not likely to change for the rest of the gen, so it doesn't really make sense to revisit the topic
This kind of seems like searching for an inaccuracy. Not trying to think through not only what they wrote, but what they meant.The idea that opinions on the central mechanic of a generation couldn't possibly change after a year of that generation being nigh-unbalancable is laughable. You are once again incorrectly believing that everyone thinks the same thing as you.
I'm using Hoodra AV with some success in place of Archaludon on the old sample team .What do rain teams look like without Archaludon now? Are we going to see other mons take its spot?
where did i ever say or imply that everyone thinks the same thing as me? it's about a 50/50 split on "action or no action" with a slight lean towards my side. i never disputed that. what i said was that everyone's opinions on tera have had a long time to fully solidify, so those opinions have a lot of inertia to them. changing an opinion once it's fully formed is very, very hard, especially when it's something polarizing like tera. it usually requires some sort of massive paradigm shift—for example, a dlc drop. but the latest dlc didn't seem to change many opinions on the mechanic at all, especially since stellar tera turned out to basically be a nothingburger outside of contrary and terapagos. so it's very likely that it'll stay about a 50/50 split with a slight lean towards my side for the foreseeable future. it doesn't make sense to keep revisiting tera over and over if people's opinions on it are stable. and there certainly won't be a massive opinion shift within a matter of days like there was with bloodmoon and arch, which was the actual point i was making. i know you just saw the word "tera" and it made you upset, and i apologize for that, but try to keep calm and pay attention to the rest of the post too. there's important words in there you might miss!The idea that opinions on the central mechanic of a generation couldn't possibly change after a year of that generation being nigh-unbalancable is laughable. You are once again incorrectly believing that everyone thinks the same thing as you.
this, though, i have to commend you on. well spun! you took a massively unfavorable statistic for you and turned it completely on its head to make it look like ban voters aren't outnumbered nearly three to one. you've got a real talentRemember the way the latter question was asked on the survey. Over a quarter of players are certain right now that a Tera ban is necessary for the balance of the tier.
To be fair, isn't this also just spin? For the sake of oversimplifying the math, we'll just say that half the people are pro Tera, a quarter of the people are anti-Tera, and then another quarter think some action should be taken.this, though, i have to commend you on. well spun! you took a massively unfavorable statistic for you and turned it completely on its head to make it look like ban voters aren't outnumbered nearly three to one
are you seriously proposing we gerrymander the survey to make the pro-ban side look less unpopular than it is? any split of the no-action camp is arbitrary because they all want the same thing. splitting the pro-action camp is not arbitrary because it's divided along ideological lines—not all of them want the same thing, so they can be grouped into "people who want action that isn't a full ban" and "people who want action that is a full ban". those are two separate groups of people whose only common goal is "do something". there are plenty of people who would vote "no action" before "tera ban" if it were a binary choice but voted for action because they want tera blast banned. the pro-action side is not a monolith, but the no-action side isI could also argue that the pro-Tera people should be broken up in some way. And then you could maybe have two groups of roughly 25% of pro Tera folks and more stupid spin arguments on what the groupings mean. It's not that deep.
good! this is exactly what you need to be doing. rally your base behind a single option so we can have a fair fight. i don't want a win by default because of infighting on the other sideWe can make the pro-action side a monolith, calling all tera restrict but no ban voters, explain why you think the mech you recognize is broke deserves a kneecap and not an execution?
First of all, I was making a point about the unreliability of your rather convenient interpretation of the survey. It clearly flew over your head.are you seriously proposing we gerrymander the survey to make the pro-ban side look less unpopular than it is
Ive given this set a chance, mainly on low ladder to get the feel for it. Agaisnt stall its an auto win, farms alomomola. agaisnt rain it puts in heavy work especially if you get a bulk up you have a winning matchup into skewda/ floatzel. agaisnt standard offensive teams with kyurem/roaring moon/ gouging fire/valiant/dragapult it really struggles to have any impact at all. I like the set it has merit i just think its heavily matchup reliant. I think pairing it with toxic spikes to at least get some progress with substiture spam would potentially help.Wanna talk about
Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost / Fighting / Water
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 36 Def / 208 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Focus Punch / Drain Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Bulk Up / Swords Dance
EV Spread maximizes recovery from PH, while also outspeeding 0 Speed Gliscor and 227 Speed Raging Bolt. The rest dumped in defense to make it a bit more tankier.
After the loss of Spore, this dude has been almost non-existant in the tier, so, I decided to try the PH set from Gen VI, and I think it is quite good, and have good qualities in this meta.
1.- Sub-FP is a fucking nuke, and it can be set up in front of many mons that are found in balance and stall, like Gliscor, Ting-Lu, Alomomola, even it can set up in front of Skarmory and Corviknight thanks to Bulk Up and/or Tera Ghost.
Tera Fighting has a 70% to 2HKO Dondozo from full HP with FP, guaranteed with SR.
2.- After Toxic Orb has been activated, this mon can be a Knock Off absorber from weak users like non-SD Gliscor, defensive Tusk and many other mons, while avoiding WoW and T-Wave from checks like Torkoal and Clef.
3.- This mon provides another answer to Kingambit, especially when opposing team has burned Tera. You can bait Sucker Punch with Bulk Up and Sub, and you will end KOing it given the chance. Even against Tera Fairy or Tera Flying without Tera Blast, you win.
4.- It can be a nuisance against rain, as it can set up Sub against a scaring Iron Treads. Then you just press FP, and deal massive damage to whatever dares to switch in. Tera Water can flip that MU in your favor, and you can bait Raging Bolt's Thunderclap with Sub or BU, as you outspeed its common EV spread. Also, Tera Water mess up with an unsuspecting Meow.
Of course there are more strong Fighting and Grass types like Tusk and Rilla, but this mon has some good shit under its sleeve. GIve it a try.
because only one side can be split up! "no action" can't be split up any further. there's no ifs, ands, or buts about what the no-action side wants. no further specification can be made because they want nothing to happen to tera. at all. there's no "oh except for this one thing" that we can separate people by because anyone who wants anything to happen to tera in any capacity is on the other side. that's the difference. it's not "poorly constructed", your "side" just happens to be about four or five different sides in a trench coat and it's still not enough to win. any possible split that can be made anywhere would split the pro-action base and your chances of winning would drastic go down. the numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for you in a tera suspectSecond, the actual current framing of the survey is poorly constructed for the point you are trying to use it for. It only split up one of the sides into two. This is uneven. Hence my example, which was purely to illustrate the point.