Even though I think replacing UU2 is silly considering the size of the player base and I highly dislike BL as a metagame (and don't really buy into the arguments surrounding it's existence), I would argue that if you have to replace UU2 (not the right decision, but I digress) there is a sizable portion of the UU player base that also plays UUBL so I suppose, worse case scenario, if UU2 goes, those 8-16 players would likely have something to play.Glad to see all the discussion in this thread so far, a lot more people interested than I thought which is great! So far there seems to be a few things reaching a consensus.
The options so far for the last two slots are OU4, UU2, RU, ZU, LC, BL. Personally I don't think UU2 is very appealing when it would mean cutting another tier. I'm not sure if there's enough players as well since 16 slots is a lot, but I know UU is very popular so it wouldn't surprise me. I also don't like BL as much because it's not nearly as active as the other choices. Between the rest of the choices, OU4 will guaranteed have quality players and be a good pool. LC is very popular and has little to no overlap with other tiers. ZU and RU are in very similar spots, both are newer tiers with a few successful tours and an active playerbase. I have no strong attachment to either getting in over the other, they both seem like fine picks. Overall I'd say PU > LC > OU4 > ZU = RU > UU2 > BL
- Ou x3, ubers uu nu dou x1 all mandatory
- 8x10 is leading by far for the teams/slot count, 8x8 has some votes and literally no one wants 6 teams.
- PU seems to be the most suggested tier to add.
Also heavily support making dou bo3, this is one of the most fast paced and volatile tiers out there + building in it is fun and not too difficult, perfect fit for bo3 imo. Edit: If OU4 is added one of the OU slots should 100% be bo3 imo. I'd support this even if we don't get OU4, a bo3 ou slot is a ton of fun.
Also also, no matter what tiers are in we'll need good managers and lots of solid players for 8x10 when the tour starts. So I hope you all spread the word however you can to get as many people as possible signing up!
I think generally 8x10 is preferred for this tournament as it allows both the inclusion of LC and PU which should 100% be slotted. LC and PU fill all of these criteria pretty easily and should be added before anything else at this point. I don't believe there is really a solid way to dictate which the last slot should be as ZU, and from what I've heard, RU also meet these criteria. A 4th OU slot would probably be the most preferred though if we follow this line of thinking. I think the most optimal way to figure this out is to poll the past and present managers on what they want the final slot to be, assuming both LC and PU are guaranteed. Again, I think excluding PU and LC from this tournament is a mistake if this tournament shifts to 8X10. I think a public survey is probably the worst course of action as you'd be collecting data from users who most likely wouldn't have anything to do with ADVPL otherwise.That being said I think ZU is a great tier with a dedicated playerbase as well (and LC as previously mentioned). I agree that PU should have a guaranteed slot, but I think the other slots should be whatever the majority of community:
A) wants to play
B) can provide a competitive player base to fill
C) generally enjoys seeing in the tournament
I think a ballot is a good ideaI think generally 8x10 is preferred for this tournament as it allows both the inclusion of LC and PU which should 100% be slotted. LC and PU fill all of these criteria pretty easily and should be added before anything else at this point. I don't believe there is really a solid way to dictate which the last slot should be as ZU, and from what I've heard, RU also meet these criteria. A 4th OU slot would probably be the most preferred though if we follow this line of thinking. I think the most optimal way to figure this out is to poll the past and present managers on what they want the final slot to be, assuming both LC and PU are guaranteed. Again, I think excluding PU and LC from this tournament is a mistake if this tournament shifts to 8X10. I think a public survey is probably the worst course of action as you'd be collecting data from users who most likely wouldn't have anything to do with ADVPL otherwise.
I still stand by my initial post and ideal formatting. However, if surveying the managers is something that does take place the ideal ballot should include the tiers below:
BL, OU4 (bo3), UU2, ZU, and RU
As someone who plays the meta often, ADV NU should definitely be in there. I'd trade one of the OU slots for an NU slot tbh.I think generally 8x10 is preferred for this tournament as it allows both the inclusion of LC and PU which should 100% be slotted. LC and PU fill all of these criteria pretty easily and should be added before anything else at this point. I don't believe there is really a solid way to dictate which the last slot should be as ZU, and from what I've heard, RU also meet these criteria. A 4th OU slot would probably be the most preferred though if we follow this line of thinking. I think the most optimal way to figure this out is to poll the past and present managers on what they want the final slot to be, assuming both LC and PU are guaranteed. Again, I think excluding PU and LC from this tournament is a mistake if this tournament shifts to 8X10. I think a public survey is probably the worst course of action as you'd be collecting data from users who most likely wouldn't have anything to do with ADVPL otherwise.
I still stand by my initial post and ideal formatting. However, if surveying the managers is something that does take place the ideal ballot should include the tiers below:
BL, OU4 (bo3), UU2, ZU, and RU
I find it hard to believe that NU would get left out. Right there after OU UU & UbersAs someone who plays the meta often, ADV NU should definitely be in there. I'd trade one of the OU slots for an NU slot tbh.
I generally agree with most of this post, in that a 4th OU slot is warranted due to the growth of ADV OU playerbase in just the past year alone, nevermind the past several years altogether. Removing DOU is not really a viable option, PU is also definitely a shoo-in, and while I don't necessarily think LC is a better choice than ZU or RU based on the metagame alone, it has proven to have an extremely dedicated playerbase to the point where the support is overwhelming for its inclusion. I think both RU and ZU have good arguments for inclusion but I don't think either one necessarily has a better argument than the other, and it'd be better to just give both of those tiers another year of growth and re-evaluate next year if we want to keep the 4th OU slot again or go 3 OU at that point in favor of one of those tiers, or go 12 slots.i've mentioned this in various different cords, but i definitely believe ou should get a 4th slot given the enormous growth of adv in the past year. not only will more ou slots get more ou players in proximity with alternate tiers thus increasing popularity, it also gives options to potential breakout players that were benchwarming last year of which there definitely were some
my proposed lineup would be 4OU, DOU, Ubers, UU, NU, PU and LC
there's been lots of very valid arguments against 2UU and RU, UUBL is rlly up in the air and a lot of people supporting it are OU players who I really feel would be satisfied with another OU slot
all slots seem pretty damn locked in outside of the tenth slot being between 4OU and ZU