Not Finch here but Deoxys-S was never broken in the first place. It's outclassed as a hazard setter by Samurott-H and Glimmora, and can't do jackshit offensively aside from using Psycho Boost every once in a while. You wouldn't believe how many times my Roaring Moon survived a Life Orb boosted Superpower from this thing. The only thing it's actually good at is being a screens setter.
Both tbh
I think when I heard people talk about its offensive set, I was like "wait that's brilliant", but then I saw the offensive stats this thing carries and I was all like "how does this actually hit anything hard?".
Psycho Boost has 140 BP. Hope this helps.
Life Orb Psycho Boost is scary, even from 95 Special Attack since it'll knock out frailer mons like Dragapult and Ogerpon-W with ease. Even with Hat / Ghold / Ting, I still am scared of seeing this mon.
Sleep would still be a problem since it's abused by Iron Valiant and Ninetales-A. Even sleep wasn't a problem without Darkrai the fact that we still have a mod neutering an overpowered status condition instead of banning sleep inflicting moves is insane.
Every team has at least one or two dark or steel types than can easily switch in with zero worries.
Psycho boost still bounces off of any spdef mon. Seriously, common spdef mons like clefable and glowking take barely half, not to mention ting lu being completely immune. Its cool for clod tho i guess. Deo s has all of the problems special iron valiant has(mainly sheer breaking power) but even worse while not having the same general set flexibility.
High BP moves, good coverage, can afford to run an offense boosting nature if it so wishes. It's not really that it hits hard in comparison to other Pokemon, it's mainly that its Speed tier combined with hitting just hard enough makes it really difficult for offensive mons to deal with, and even bulkier mons are probably getting decently chunked. Plus there's no safe bet that it's even an offensive variant to begin with, and if it's hazards or screens, giving it a free turn isn't great.
With how many Dark types running around OU, I don't think it's a free button you can click. Also, even with LO boost, it barely 2HKO many important defensive mons like Dondozo. It does chunk pretty hard and good for cleaning up games, but it does not pack that kinda punch that people expected it to I think.
I was responding to someone asking how Deoxys hits hard with base 95 Sp.A. The answer to how it hits hard is because its moves are all high-BP stuff like Psycho Boost and Superpower, the latter of which is a threat that makes Dark and Steel hesitant to switch in.
I understood that part, though I was just pointing out the fact that even a 140 BP move doesn't feel like the doom hammer it's supposed to be due to the power drop after usage, and you can easily switch into the resist to absorb a powerful first hit. I feel like this is playing more into the idea that people have learned how to work around it as of now.
It is great as a pseudo explosion when Deo-S is about to faint, as it can get crucial damage against opponents. Future sight I also think is underrated on Deo-S as it can force tricky situations on it where it can threaten a superpower while future sight is active, or help a teamate break through an opposing counter.
Yeah, I think my point came across as I was downplaying Deoxys-S, but what I mean is it is not a terrifying wallbreaker or sweeper that consistently one shot teams, it's just very good at piling up damage here and there and can create setup beneficial for other members on your team. It does have decent offensive stats, but compared to hulking giants like Roaring Moon and Kyurem is a step too much.
At times it feels like the most OP mon in the tier as it can infinetely wall some teams. But other times it feels like it isn't doing anything in the match and will be ultimately be used as a sack mon. On some teams, it could be an integral part that can't be replaced but on others any other mon would do it's job better. I expect this mon to see not much usage except on specific teams where it shines immensly.
got that 1 billion lions energy
What will the survey cover or is it a secret?
Only sleep clause is the debate right now. Nothing really on radar as of now in the survey correct? Doing a good job. Love the new meta.
The point is that there will be a question about sleep moves added to the survey; you were quoting a post on sleep moves, so I assume that is what you are asking about.
Is there a way to review the polls from the general? I probably missed it. If you could link it to check out. That’d be awesome. Thank you!
all of the surveys and results can be found here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-tiering-surveys.3711911/
Out of curiosity, what do you feel is unhealthy for the meta? I know kyurem has been on everyone’s radar and roaring moon it seems. Btw thank you for the link. Appreciate it!
