Terapagos’ Stellar Form isn’t really comparable to other Pokémon using Stellar Tera. It gets a 100 BST increase and its STAB move becomes neutral on everything WITHOUT lowering its attack stats 1 stage & WITHOUT only being a 1-time STAB, (from what I last heard from mechanics testing). If it’s broken, (it will be), it won’t really reflect on Stellar Tera as a whole.
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If so, would a ban on Terapagos from Tera-ing considered a complex ban? Because by itself without the mechanic it's a decent mon thanks to faux Multiscale and a setup move but not very banworthy.
Yeah, this is what I’m wondering. There’s technically precedent for something similar with the Mega Rayquaza ban, but that was a ban from Ubers and not from OU.
it's technically a complex ban, but there is precedent for it—rayquaza was specifically banned from mega evolving. the same could easily be done for terapagos; if the stellar form and only the stellar form turns out to be broken, it would be fairly straightforward to introduce a "terapagos clause" preventing it from using tera. to me, this is different from a tera blacklist because no other pokemon gets an extra 100 bst from tera, so nothing else would be in consideration for barring from being able to terastallize
Another question, is Terapagos locked into Stellar tera or can its tera be changed? And does it signature move change type when tera-ed?
How long does it usually take for a new metagame to come online? Its more curiousity than annoyed or anything, because I can also use this for future references i.e. if Gen 10 has dlc. I don't mind waiting longer if it will be better than releasing it half baked.
As far as I know they got the DLC 1 up and running after 1 day, but since DLC 2 has a bunch of new mechanic like Stellar tera and Terapagos, I think it would take them a smidge longer to fully discover the mechanic, bug and all.
Has there been movesets up for the new Pokemon? Like Archaludon and Hydrapple?
You can find the movepools of those pokemon on seribii, but there isn't likely to be movesets for at least a week.
^Not secret, but Maushold is still great at cleaning up even on a Gholdengo switch and smacks things for massive damage, and Hatterene can keep your field clean at least for longer on the more passive setters, and will even have the option to forgo Psychic/Psyshock for Psychic Noise to stop healing.
Anything past that will have to be refined as the meta evolves... or starts at all, for that matter.
Plan C is to get reqs to ban Ghold/Glisc when the time comes, so make of that what you will.
Anything past that will have to be refined as the meta evolves... or starts at all, for that matter.
Plan C is to get reqs to ban Ghold/Glisc when the time comes, so make of that what you will.
Tusk can beat Air Baloon Gholdengo now thanks to Temper Flare. If Gholdengo came in on a Ground/Fighting/Spin immunity, that would double the Temper Flare damage
4 Atk Great Tusk Tempe Flare vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 284-336 (90.1 - 106.6%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Great Tusk Temper Flare vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 344-406 (109.2 - 128.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Great Tusk Temper Flare vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 344-406 (109.2 - 128.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I don't think this makes Tusk too much of a hard counter but Balloon Gholdengo gonna get a tougher time now
neutralizing gas defog
Drill is BACK to SAVE OU.
Also Tusk getting temper flare as stated earlier makes it more consistent into Dengo.
tidy up cinccino baby! it's no maushold in terms of raw stab power, but it's got some pretty solid coverage, and loaded dice lets it almost run technician and skill link at the same time. it even gets knock off to deal with gholdengo—a 97.5 power dark move off of base 95 attack at +1 is substantially better than maushold's 90-power dark move off of base 75 attack at +1
Stealar tera blast is neutral, not normal
Oh shit I didn't even know that, that does sound broken af
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Honestly, the precedent im thinking of is the various Mega forms thatve been banned in OU, like Blaziken (though thats mostly because hot chicken was also banned), Metagross the unfairly banned (they seriously said something along the lines of "it can run ten moves at once" because apparently having multiple sets was too much?) and Sableye the straggler, among probably a couple others.
Now, if its the only thing Terapagos can tera into, then yeah id say its unequivocally complex because youre saying "cant terastalize if its terapagos"
Banning Mega was never a complex ban until Mega Ray, because you can simply ban the Mega Stone (Item bans weren't considered complex)
Ray WAS a complex ban due to the fact it's banning you from clicking a button .
Do you think Terapagos will be banned from Ubers?
I don't think it has been banned from OU yet even. However, I think even if it was I doubt it would go into AG. It's not as broken as any AG threat have been.
No, if anything I see it having a positive influence on that meta, although limited by being a giant Tera hog.
Well, terapagos gets rapid spin and good bulk, making it a solid bulky spinner, its is immune to gholdengos shadow ball but may have to run flamethrower rather than the more favourable earth power for air balloon, excadrill is also back with solid hp
I haven't seen it asked but sorry if it has: does Terapagos auto waste your Tera? or is it a Primal Groudon situation where you can still mega another pokemon? Because if I understood it correctly, Terapagos automatically turns Tera once it switches in