Altariel von Sweep
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Why is not Mankey on Defog Deterrents? It has Defiant like Pawniard, and it can hit surprisingly hard after a boost receiving a Defog, so it can act like that despite its low bulk.
Can't say I agree with this. Pretty much the only good Defogger rn is Vullaby, and Mankey loses to that. In addition, most bad Defoggers are also Flying-types, which Mankey can't switch into at all. So it pretty much only deters Defog from Fomantis (there's probably a slightly better non-Flying Defogger that's slipping my mind, and don't feel like checking because on phone), which makes it a very bad Defog deterrentWhy is not Mankey on Defog Deterrents? It has Defiant like Pawniard, and it can hit surprisingly hard after a boost receiving a Defog, so it can act like that despite its low bulk.
Thunder oy covered this one. No dice!Why is not Mankey on Defog Deterrents? It has Defiant like Pawniard, and it can hit surprisingly hard after a boost receiving a Defog, so it can act like that despite its low bulk.
Gible just isn't good. Regardless, I'll add bothGible nor Sandshrew are on rockers. Make Infamy and that smelly user happy.
Also Spikes Bunnelby Nineage
Vulpix has been removed.Remove Vulpix mentions (generally good offensive Pokemon, sun setters, sand checks, hail checks).
This post will explain 1) why manual Sand setters are listed and 2) why manual Rain and Sun setters are not, whichWhy is a manual sand setter listed (Sandshrew) when manual rain and sun setters are not listed?
You got it!Thank you for answering! So, if I am understanding this correctly, viable sand setting is viable because the playstyle is viable due to the separate presence of an automatic sand setter. Is this correct?
I still don't get what it doesCan Gible be added to Viable rockers? I'm a user beside Infamy who uses it, and so is Jox ... to an extent. Got a couple niches that are ok with all the Torchics around WA Vull + Grimes :)
it's suppose to be a decent fire check, a fat mon in general, and a sr setter. it is, unfortunately, rather mediocre at best and the only fire-types that doesn't abuse it are numel and ponyta, which can just earth power on the switch if it's actually an issue (it isn't, nor is numel used!) and ponyta has hypno. bloom doom does a bunch anyway, and getting up sr makes you lose a lot of health so you don't check things v well. it's also not very strong which is why it sucks for handling torchic, since it can bp speed or other boosts away to smthng like vulla or even just a fighter or pretty much anything not weak to ground and be a-okay.
it's typing is also mediocre in lc besides checking fires and elekid. so, don't put it on here
Personally I'd say not - while Snivy getting the evasion boost is definitely annoying it's also not guaranteed to actually do much of anything (a single evasion boost is nowhere near enough to rely on), and switching Snivy in on all the viable defog users in LC except Snivy itself runs a high risk of being smacked very hard by a SE STAB hit.I know Snivy is weak to at least one of every Defogger’s STAB (the woes of a pure Grass typing), but does Contrary mean that it could be a Defog punisher? An evasion boost on a Pokémon that strong is pretty OP, after all. It’s okay if people don’t agree on this, I expect this to be controversial.
Most Mienfoo that aren’t used solely for Baton Pass will run HJK, so Anorith will have to run protect if it wants to actually switch in on a predicted Mienfoo lead, and if it does take crash damage as a result, it will be almost a non issue, since it will almost always be running Regenerator. This means Mienfoo can switch out to something that can more comfortably check your lead. If it goes for Fake Out instead and you don’t use protect, your sash is broken and you can either remove its item, making it easier to revenge kill at the cost of valuable chip damage on the rest of the team, or lay hazards, which, while they are free chip damage, can be spun or defogged away.Can we add Anorith to damaging hazard setters? It makes a great suicide lead. It outspeeds Onix (the fastest common user of SR), meaning onix must choose whether to go for a KO with rock blast or lay is own hazards. If it opts to lay rocks, Anorith will spin them away before being KOed, breaking Onix's sturdy. It's also usually able to lay rocks against anti-lead Mienfoo and knock off its eviolite (admittedly, this only works if mienfoo doesn't run HJK) before being KOed. Anorith is also good late game if it doesn't need to die at the start.
Edit: Actually, Diglett is faster than Anorith and runs SR sometimes, but it's hard to find a moveslot and an opportunity to have Diglett set SR because it's not a dedicated lead, it's a revenge killer.
I figured, but it could be a huge thorn in your opponent’s side late game with Eviolite, Synthesis AND an evasion boost. Not trying to argue, but it could be effective in a pinch and potentially turn the match around if certain attacks miss Snivy while it’s firing off Leaf Storm and Hidden Power while boosting its SpA. Key Word: If, although in terms of frailty, Snivy is definitely no Carvahna. I do appreciate how much this tactic relies on chance, however.Personally I'd say not - while Snivy getting the evasion boost is definitely annoying it's also not guaranteed to actually do much of anything (a single evasion boost is nowhere near enough to rely on), and switching Snivy in on all the viable defog users in LC except Snivy itself runs a high risk of being smacked very hard by a SE STAB hit.
If you actually read my post, you would realize that the only relevant point here it's that almost all Mienfoo run HJK these days (which I pointed out by saying this only works if it doesn't run HJK). Also, I never suggested Anorith should be added as a sweeper, I merely mentioned that it can be good late game if it doesn't need to die early game (though, incidentally, with Little Cup damage rolls in mind and the accuracy buff Rock Blast got a while back out it's actually a fairly reliable cleaning move--I speak from personal experience).Most Mienfoo that aren’t used solely for Baton Pass will run HJK, so Anorith will have to run protect if it wants to actually switch in on a predicted Mienfoo lead, and if it does take crash damage as a result, it will be almost a non issue, since it will almost always be running Regenerator. This means Mienfoo can switch out to something that can more comfortably check your lead. If it goes for Fake Out instead and you don’t use protect, your sash is broken and you can either remove its item, making it easier to revenge kill at the cost of valuable chip damage on the rest of the team, or lay hazards, which, while they are free chip damage, can be spun or defogged away.
Also, Rock Blast is a risky move, especially late game, due to the accuracy and potential for low power without Skill Link. In addition, Eviolites should be removed early game by wallbreakers, rather than late game cleaners. Cleaners should have access to multiple strong priority moves, in my opinion. Anorith only has Aqua Jet which a) it struggles to find a moveslot for it b) isn’t STAB and c) Water Absorb mons can switch in freely, save for Mantyke. Finally, switching out your suicide lead instead of letting it be knocked out loses momentum for your team.
All in all, Anorith might be a good suicide lead, but definitely not a late game cleaner. As a bonus, this is my choice for a LC suicide lead (Protect is for Fake Out protection):
Dwebble @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Protect
- Rock Blast
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
Def or SpD EVs aren’t needed here due to the nature of a suicide lead.